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Why do Aussies give Aboriginal Aussies a hard time? (1 Viewer)

When will an Aboriginal Australian become Prime Minister of Australia?

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katie tully

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You don't prosecute the people who "kill your parents", the State does that. And that doesn't apply to this situation at all, because those who "murdered" Aboriginal people 150 years ago can't be prosecuted, because they too are dead. Their relatives cannot be prosecuted, because guilty by association doesn't exist.
 

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What if the state murders your parents?

The state was responsible for any crimes committed against aborigines.

How soon exactly does responsibility for a nations past actions end? At every change of government the nation is completely absolved of any past sins as 'lol that was the other guys'?
 
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In light of tully's request for a return of intellectual input in the NCAP forums i'll actually try and post a serious response.

The reason why (imo) that aboriginals cop alot of racial intolerance and abuse from white australians can be put down to a number of reasons.

Aboriginal people as a majority do not portray themselves in a positive light in either social or academic environments within this country, essentially they act as though they are in denial over the fact that modernisation has taken place over the past 200 years, refusing to adapt to a modern society.

In most people's eyes aboriginals represent what is wrong with Australian society today they have low levels of education, poor literacy skills, high levels of alcohol intake and statistically crime rates and levels of disease and infection are much higher amongst aboriginal communities than any other in this country. Given the level of opportunity which is given to aboriginals through government incentives, indigenous scholarships and other various opportunities it is deplorable that they have not made better use of the opportunities available to them.

Alot of people also feel resentment due to this separation in terms of policy towards Aboriginals Vs. the rest of Australia, I do not blame them it is unfair that they receive additional benefits for no other reason than their race. Essentially this is racism as it is preferential treatment based upon race rather than merit or contribution to society.

Aboriginal's tend to have a sense of entitlement and believe they own this country which clearly they do not and they should accept that no one is going to hand it over to them any time soon. Over the course of history wars have been fought over land and this was just another example of this. Move on and accept the fact that society has changed and the one currently populating this country is not responsible for the oppression which you faced. Stop walking around as though you own this place, and develop some honor rather than walking around behaving like juvenile fuckwits further endorsing peoples perception of you.

Basically you tell me what aboriginals have done to improve their image in the eyes of the Australian public.....I think you'll be struggling to find much.
 

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Dragging up bad history all the time doesn't help reconciliation or multiculturalism. People should know the history of course, but it should not be used to hang over other peoples heads in order to create a sense of entitlement.
 

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Because they are still bitter over something that happened 200 years ago that no-one on this Earth directly caused. Howard was on the right track here, when he refused to blatantly apologise for incidents that he, his government or his people did not commit.

Re: positive discrimination from healthcare etc, I have no problem with that - providing the indigenous community see it as the olive branch that it is.

Aside from that, if the Aboriginals want to live like they have for the past 40,000 years - let them. The country is big enough for them. But lately people like Dodson have, like Jason Biggs, been sticking fingers into dubious pies. Moving Australia Day is the rhetoric of an arrogant minority who still refuse to accept modernisation - like your dear old grandmother, they hark back to the good ol' days but you just treat them with kid gloves.
 

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Leb PM is more likely than an Aboriginal PM. It'd have to be a good Leb like Marie Bashir instead of one of the mongrels, though. There are loads of great Lebanese people, they just happen to be the ones that don't get all the attention and don't glass people and start fights because they're sexually insecure.

LOL:haha:
 

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seriously its topics like this that piss me off, i dont mean to be racist or anything but what more do you guys want huh??? you guyz get an apology from the prime minister?, you get reconciliation day you get special treatment from the government, and ur still complaining, and you still want more fkn change Australia Day, just stick wif what you got and be thankful,, what about me, Im a native Iraqi and my country has now become ruled by kurds and mulsims, and they fail to recognise even our existence and u babies are having a lil cry fk be thankful for what u hav, natives all over the world would DIE for the same treatment so jst stfu
 

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You don't prosecute the people who "kill your parents", the State does that. And that doesn't apply to this situation at all, because those who "murdered" Aboriginal people 150 years ago can't be prosecuted, because they too are dead. Their relatives cannot be prosecuted, because guilty by association doesn't exist.
Oh my god. How many times do we have to say it? It isn't just about the terrible things that happened over 150 years ago. Again, children were taken away in my parents' lifetime. The damage is going to be a lot more raw than in other historical conquests you refer to.
And isn't this possible - the Aborigines who were killed etc were obviously affected by it, then it affected their children and their children and their children and their children and their children and it affects Aborigines alive now.
Plus - we can all agree that of Aborigines today - there are more unemployed people, more people with drug or alcohol problems, more crime etc.
Right?
So you either believe that their situation is a result of their treatment (in which case we are obliged to help them) or you belive that ...i dunno - they have an innate need to take drugs and be lazy - that their race is inherently violent etc. This clearly makes no sense. If you don't believe that their situation is a result of the past then what do you believe is the cause?
 
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I will attempt to answer both questions, although acknowlege that I will probably end with some random irrelevant and oppinionated rant about something or other.


1. Why do Aussies give Aboriginal Australians a hard time?

Many feel that Aboriginals are given excessive amounts of government assistance and handouts, and I think that is the real reason behind the divide. They also perceive Aboriginals as alcoholics, or drug addicts.

2. When will there ever be an Aboriginal PM?

Sadly, I don't think there will be for a very long time. Statistically, Indigenous Australians are as a whole, an ethnic minorty in Australia. Statistically, we would be much more likely to have a Chinese-Australian PM over an Aboriginal PM. Combine this with the overall poorer access that Aboriginals have to higher education, combined with the general discrimination they face in society, I think it will be at least 50 years before we see an Aboriginal PM. That is just my honest opinion


Personal rant:

I think that Indigenous Australians deserve to enjoy the EXACT same freedoms and opportunities that the rest of Australian's are entitled to. However, by "the same", I actually do mean "the same", not "more".

I acknowlege that the British fucked the Indigenous Australians over, reeeal bad.
They stole their land, killed their people, and continued discrimination and mistreatment up untill recent times. However, as terrible as this was; I think that the past is the past. Everybody needs to move on, by dwelling in our guilt we will get nowhere. Both parties need to get the fuck over it. Yes, the British treated them like shit. But there is nothing we can do to change the past, we can only change the present and hopefully the future.

I think that we are, as a society, plagued by rampant liberal guilt and political correctness. I believe in 'give a man a fish, and he has dinner for an evening. Teach a man to fish, and he will have food for a lifetime' (..or something like that)

By handing out money, housing, etc to Aboriginals, they are not becoming independant or self-reliant. They will continue to mooch of the government spending their baby bonus and AbStudy on booze and drugs; only continue in the cycle of poverty that many find themselves in today.

My mother used to work for some government department responsible for Indigenous Health, and she used to tell me how whenever she went to visit WA, it was like a third world country out there. The way that many Aboriginals in Australia are treated today is attrocious. Out in like WA and stuff, they really lead lives that are unrecognizable to the rest of Australia. It is like a scene from a World Vision commercial set in Africa.

Unfortunately, most of the money allocated to the actual Aboriginals in need, is usually received by the Aboriginals that white people are more familiar with (Those living in public housing with too many children, those with drug and alcohol problems, etc). That reinforces the sterotype, and removes any idea that there may be actual decent Aboriginals who are genuinely in need.

Alot of Aboriginals with alcoholism take advantage of many of the incentives put in place that aim in equal oportunities for those Indigenous people who live everyday without clean drinking water.

In a nutshell, I feel absolutely no sympathy for 'ALL' Aboriginals, especially not the ones living in Inner-City (Redfern). That is prime real estate that should all be redeveloped for millions of dollars, and not rented out for twenty two cents a month to centrelink dependants.
I do, however, feel for the ones living in the outback without medical assistance etc.

Sitting around mooching off the government, and spending that money on booze when you have 12 starving kids is bloody lousy, regardless of whether you are Black or White. Kick the Aboriginals out of the community housing projects in Redfern and give them training and assistance to get proper jobs, and send the money where it's actually needed.
Touche - i whole heartedly agree
 

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I've been reading posts here, you aren't very nice here or even in real life :(!

Just the other day one of your people (a police officer), filmed one Aboriginal Australian dancing, and found it hillarious.

The Prime Minister has given us a "sorry", but don't actions speak louder than words in your minds?

When will an Australian Aborigine be given the "Prime Minister" title, just as an African American (Barack Obama) was given the title of "President" in the United States of America?
u cant say that because barak obama isnt a native American, dont think America has gone any further than us, when a native America i.e. the "Red Indians" become the president, then u cant continue having a cry about Abos not being prime ministers
 

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There are no aboriginals intelligent enough to attain any real position of power.
 

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There are no aboriginals intelligent enough to attain any real position of power.
First of all it is Aboriginals (with a capital A) you neandertheral. Secondly, there is no real in difference in any human beings so called "intelligence." Anybody has the potential to progress and achieve. Thirdly, since when has any position of power been a reflection of the so-called "intelligence" you proclaim. What about George Bush - was he intelligent and strategic? Strategic maybe - intelligent? No. There are a plethora of examples of Aboriginal men and women who are incredibly intelligent - go beyond your narrow mind and start reading you dumb fool.
 

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First of all it is Aboriginals (with a capital A) you neandertheral.
Oh, don't worry. I'm well aware. I just choose not to.

And by the way, it's 'neanderthal', you moron.

lol irony.

Secondly, there is no real in difference in any human beings so called "intelligence." Anybody has the potential to progress and achieve.
Yeah okay, fine, I just find it's funny how at Universities there's mainly aboriginals and next to no Asians. What's up with that?


Thirdly, since when has any position of power been a reflection of the so-called "intelligence" you proclaim.
People claim politicians are stupid.
Nine times of of ten, they're not. They're just greedy, or have their own agendas and abuse their power.
But rarely stupid. You do realise the reason politicians are so high paid is because that they're usually intelligent enough to become wealthy outside of politics



What about George Bush - was he intelligent and strategic?[/quote
]Isolated incident. he came froma rich family, and that's why he got into a good college, and he rode his father's coat tails to get to where he was.

No. There are a plethora of examples of Aboriginal men and women who are incredibly intelligent - go beyond your narrow mind and start reading you dumb fool.
Oh really? Well tell them to come out of hiding.

The place I live, Mildura, has a roughly 4% aboriginal population, and yet aboriginals are responsible for over 25% of all crimes commited here.
Seeing as though the likelihood of an individual to commit a crime is inversely proportionate to their intelligence....
 

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First, I don't think there is any legitimate scientific proof towards the idea of any one 'race' being more or less intelligent than any other, and second, to be fair, I think the low education rate of Aboriginals has a lot to do with the crime statistics, not with their inherent level of intelligence.

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Seeing as though the likelihood of an individual to commit a crime is inversely proportionate to their intelligence...
Source?
 

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lol rockyroad keeps neg repping me, i cant handle the awesome power of neutral rep

cbf finding links, but i am preeeeeeeeetty sure there is legitimate research suggesting that some races are less intelligent

if, as kway suggests, there is no link between race/intelligence, it blows the argument out of the water that "Aboriginals didnt have crops or animals to domesticate and thats why they weren't as advanced as the British".
 
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According to Graney there is some evidence that certain racial groups have a genetic predisposition towards a lower level of intelligence. However, this predisposition is very much in dispute, and at most is very, very slight. As suggested by Kwayera, the bulk of the inequality in IQ level or educational attainment between racial groups is better explained in terms of different patterns of socialisation and academic expectations + resources.
 

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katie tully said:
cbf finding links, but i am preeeeeeeeetty sure there is legitimate research suggesting that some races are less intelligent
There was this guy who did some research and came to that conclusion, but it was dubious at best. I don't know of any beyond that.

if, as kway suggests, there is no link between race/intelligence, it blows the argument out of the water that "Aboriginals didnt have crops or animals to domesticate and thats why they weren't as advanced as the British".
There's actually a lot of sense in that argument despite the intelligence bit - domestication and agriculture does foster "civilisation" as we know it, and that has more to do with methodology rather than intelligence. There's no real domesticable native animals in Australia.
 

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Plenty of animals capable of being domesticated in Australia, as evidenced by our domestication of them. What was lacking was not availability of animals, but their ability to build fences.

That and they were too busy burning shit, which (i'll find the link), has been studied by scientists as contributing to the destruction of land and the extinction of several species of native animals/plants. Will find links, but you'll have to excuse me, this Baileys on the rocks is delicious
 

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