The Rationale of Religion (1 Viewer)

[ComingUpForAir]

Really? Science is base on sight, smell, touch, taste and hearing.

na, not at all

 

[Kwayera]

Really? Science is base on sight, smell, touch, taste and hearing. Religion is based on faith. Two completely different persceptions.

When you believe in something you don't need proof, believing makes it real enough....Sorry, i'll say that better, when you believe something, it becomes real

Doesn't science need a form of belief too?

In the end, its all about what we believe, and where we look to to get our explanations for the world around us. Some look to science, others look to religion. Can't you see the similarities? In this thread already there have been accusations that others are wrong, and they are right...that sounds like perception to me

No, it's as was previously said. Science is a method. Science is, and does not require any faith or belief.

 

[Aquawhite]

No, it's as was previously said. Science is a method. Science is, and does not require any faith or belief.

+1.

Thank you. Finally, someone who understands the different between proven and the believed.

Believing in a 'God' or religion can make it true for yourself or community through faith and practice but it does not in anyway make it factual for anyone else. There are barely any facts to prove the events which Christianity is based (or many other religions). This is what I'm trying to understand - how can rationality be brought about without fact?

 

[HumanDichotomy]

But you misunderstand *my* point. I am not religious BUT I have also come to understand through SOR the importance of religion. Essentially, for them, it *needs* no rationalising. The way they feel is enough. The way it seems to break down is this:

Religion is emotion manifest (essentially).
Science is reason manifest.

In the end, humans are not solely creatures of reason and for some people, they can't get by on fact alone. It's all about what gets you through the night, really.

 

[yoddle]

They aren't really answers, they are just based on the beliefs of the founders of that certain religion. They are false senses of security... filling holes which should be left humbly empty with doubt and uncertainty which is a good thing - as questioning things is how the world will continue.

It also seems to me that humans have a way of taking the easy ways out, accepting what mainstream accepts and not questioning things in their own mind and perspective. The human race is like an electrical current; we will always take the path of least resistance.

That's what I meant.

They are easy answers for some people, but not intelligent people like us :rofl:

 

[yoddle]

No, it's as was previously said. Science is a method. Science is, and does not require any faith or belief.

You're wrong. I can't put into words how but you're wrong.

Blind belief in science will lead you nowhere.

 

[Cookie182]

But you misunderstand *my* point. I am not religious BUT I have also come to understand through SOR the importance of religion. Essentially, for them, it *needs* no rationalising. The way they feel is enough. The way it seems to break down is this:

Religion is emotion manifest (essentially).
Science is reason manifest.

In the end, humans are not solely creatures of reason and for some people, they can't get by on fact alone. It's all about what gets you through the night, really.

That's true.

But is this warped view safe?

I mean when its motivating hate against non-believers, wars, terroism, attrocities against science (*news today, only 39% of American's "BELIEVE" in the theory of evolution??)

All hardline followers (and there is millions upon millions, not a "few") are extremists, it's the nature of the belief- living in complete absolutes. This precludes connection with other human beings who are not. Religion may be comforting to those within the "tribe", but it is essentially divisive to outsiders. In fact, when you study the evolution of religions, you see that in the early days it rose out of a need to unify early tribe members and justify (in oft a political sense) the murder of those external. All religions are essentially an example of viral memetics, replicating in a Darwinian sense. (Source- Prof. Jarod Diamond, youtube him).

At what point can we allow these things to enter the objective, public sphere?

People can delude themselves from facts and believe whatever rubbish they want. This is the essential notion of freedom that I stand very strongly for. By this rationale I can believe I am a vampire and you should respect it for its advancement of my emotional stability. That's all fine and dandy, until I make gay marriage OR abortion OR voluntary euthanasia illegal OR adultery (islamic countires) OR even apostasy (which violates the UN's stance on freedom of consciousness and thought) punishable by death or of course the time old favourite of genital mutilation. This all based on my primitive delusions...

It's a scary world for the non-believer (given something like 86% of the world are believers) when public policy and law become enshrined in essentially nothing (albeit, we are currently lucky in Australia where there is few conflicts, and we do live a predominately secular public life- go overseas though...and...).

 

[Dombrovski]

(*news today, only 39% of American's "BELIEVE" in the theory of evolution??)

I'm guessing the underline was for the belief that it has not been confirmed, but "theory" does not mean "guess" in science.

You observe, experiment, find patterns, formulate hypothesis, test it. If confirmed, theory.
(Apologies if you knew that )

A theory is a combining of logical evidence towards a particular notion. People don't know this, hence, "theory" is equivalent to "myth" in society.

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Religion is not rational. It can't be. But it's not meant to be; if you believe in God (or who/whatever), then that religious figure is real to you, and thats all you need.

Science is rational. It has to be. You don't need to believe in gravity for it to work. science just IS.

Religion has a place in society... we just need to avoid those with fundamentalist views, and be tolerant that people may not accept what is actually physically right in front of them

 

[Omie Jay]

You're wrong. I can't put into words how but you're wrong.

Blind belief in science will lead you nowhere.

What do u mean by 'blind belief in science'?

Science is cold hard facts, you dont need to have to 'believe' in science when the processes/composition/information/etc is physically right there in front of you.

Religion is what requires 'belief', whereas science is cold hard tangible facts.
Some believe, some dont believe, but science is always 100% true, no doubt about it.

 

[Cookie182]

I'm guessing the underline was for the belief that it has not been confirmed, but "theory" does not mean "guess" in science.

You observe, experiment, find patterns, formulate hypothesis, test it. If confirmed, theory.
(Apologies if you knew that )

A theory is a combining of logical evidence towards a particular notion. People don't know this, hence, "theory" is equivalent to "myth" in society.

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Religion is not rational. It can't be. But it's not meant to be; if you believe in God (or who/whatever), then that religious figure is real to you, and thats all you need.

Science is rational. It has to be. You don't need to believe in gravity for it to work. science just IS.

Religion has a place in society... we just need to avoid those with fundamentalist views, and be tolerant that people may not accept what is actually physically right in front of them

Yea dude I'm an atheist, I fully accept evolution as the current best explanation we have for the origin of species...

I underlined that because I was using the american conservatives lingo...in that they stupidly (as you point out) go on about evolution being a theory as though that somehow degrades it's credibility...

I still can't believe only 39% of americans "believe" it- how does someone not believe in science? It is not a faith choice- there is rational evidence. Mose well reject all laws of physics, modern medicine, our astronomical knowledge...

 

[ad infinitum]

Religion has no 'place' in any society that I would like to live in; it is the equivalence to Alchemys 'place' in modern chemistry (i.e non existant).

"Freedom of belief" (in anything but the legal sense) is a myth. We are no more free to believe whatever we want about God than we are free to adopt unjustified beliefs about science or history, or free to mean whatever we want when using words like 'poison' or 'north' or 'zero'. Anyone who would lay claim to such entitlements should not be surprised when the rest of us stop listening to him.

 

[Dombrovski]

I still can't believe only 39% of americans "believe" it- how does someone not believe in science? It is not a faith choice- there is rational evidence. Mose well reject all laws of physics, modern medicine, our astronomical knowledge...

I know, its horrible The main thing I can't understand is that it is removed from schools in America (ok, fine, its America, not that hard to believe). Some states have a 'choice' as to whether or not evolution is taught.

...makes me angry :burn:

 

[Tangent]

With science, it is more a belief that this is all there is

 

[Kwayera]

With science, it is more a belief that this is all there is

What? Are you serious?

 

[Aquawhite]

With science, it is more a belief that this is all there is

Science's purpose is to push the boundaries and discover what we don't know. Discovering the facts and knowledge to fill out the doubt.

Religion on the other hand has already filled those questions and unknown with myth.

 

[Sprangler]

Yea dude I'm an atheist, I fully accept evolution as the current best explanation we have for the origin of species...

I underlined that because I was using the american conservatives lingo...in that they stupidly (as you point out) go on about evolution being a theory as though that somehow degrades it's credibility...

I still can't believe only 39% of americans "believe" it- how does someone not believe in science? It is not a faith choice- there is rational evidence. Mose well reject all laws of physics, modern medicine, our astronomical knowledge...

US snubs film on theory of evolution

lol

 

[Kwayera]

US snubs film on theory of evolution

lol

The article gets it wrong. The movie isn't really about evolution - it's more about Darwin's personal life.

 

[Omie Jay]

With science, it is more a belief that this is all there is

please explain how science involves believe, rather than physical proof.

i think you're getting the words 'science' and 'religion' mixed up, lol.

 

[HumanDichotomy]

No. I know what he means. It's belief in a different part of human experience. Religion is belief in emotion, science is belief in logic.

 

[Garygaz]

Please oh please don't let this turn into another do you believe in god thread, we've done that to death