Gay people should not be allowed to access IVF (4 Viewers)

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

Gay people should not be allowed to Silver Persian, IMHO.

 

[Silver Persian]

Silver Persian is not a verb

And what? What happened to my lovely left-wing progressive hippy Slidey? You've changed man

 

[Napstar]

Shodan is Slidey?

 

[Silver Persian]

I dunno. I just enjoy making wild accusations.

 

[Freedom_]

hmmm I have no idea where I stand on this issue. Some part of me is for some is against. I just dont know. I think its a first.

 

[HumanDichotomy]

Perfect reasons as to why they shouldn't be allowed to have kids..... coz then the kids have no rights!! ^^^^

This argument does not prove why kids should not be raised in gay families, as it does not point out anything intrinsically wrong with gay families, it simply uses the law to justify the morality of this issue, which contains the suppressed premise that the law is inherently right and neverchanging.

 

[Iheartgays]

This argument does not prove why kids should not be raised in gay families, as it does not point out anything intrinsically wrong with gay families, it simply uses the law to justify the morality of this issue, which contains the suppressed premise that the law is inherently right and neverchanging.

The law is right. If it's not right, then we can rise up and revolt because there's nothing to stop us. So off you go, rise up and revolt, with your casual disregard for the law.

 

[HumanDichotomy]

Hmm. So the law that said it was okay to take away Aboriginal children was 'right', was it?

 

[Iheartgays]

Hmm. So the law that said it was okay to take away Aboriginal children was 'right', was it?

The fact that they're educated enough to talk about the experience shows that they're better off as they are.

 

[HumanDichotomy]

Um...how?

 

[epic man]

Laws are defined by society. If society really cared about gay rights etc, then the government would be forced to change these laws due to public pressure. This is how a democracy works fool...

 

[Iheartgays]

Um...how?

Exactly epic man. Seeings as the majority of Australia believes in the current laws we have, we can't change them due to our system of government. Yet people like HumanDicolostomybag think that we should impose some sort of dictatorship where we change laws based on the whim of the ruler (which in this case would be HumanDiChlamydia).

 

[yoddle]

The law is right. If it's not right, then we can rise up and revolt because there's nothing to stop us. So off you go, rise up and revolt, with your casual disregard for the law.

I'm not sure if you're a troll.

But if you are not that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. The law isn't an inert set of rules that stay the same forever. Rape in a marriage used to be legal, as did slavery, burning witches etc.

Furthermore, the law formally regulates unwritten social codes.

Who says I should conform to these?

Also, judges are usually very conservative and their interpretation of the law may lag generations behind that of modern society.

 

[Silver Persian]

HD is right. Democracy is based on the massive fallacy that is an appeal to majority. The fact that the majority of the population believes X does not make X true or ethical.

It's just that we haven't found a better way to deal with the issue of government.

 

[HumanDichotomy]

Exactly epic man. Seeings as the majority of Australia believes in the current laws.

Rise in support for gay marriage

Three in five Australians support same-sex marriage, according to a new survey

Hmm. Now, I don't know about you, but I would take '3 in 5' as being the majority....

 

[yoddle]

HD is right. Democracy is based on the massive fallacy that is an appeal to majority. The fact that the majority of the population believes X does not make X true or ethical.

It's just that we haven't found a better way to deal with the issue of government.

Wahoo!

I always get shot down for saying this kind of stuff.

We like democracy because we don't have to ask the difficult questions to do with absolute freedom, and the meaning of our existence.

While we are being told what to do and channeling our energies into legitimate, celebrated forms of activity (e.g. earning money) and voting once every three years, we don't have to deal with the bigger issues.

Just tax n stuff.

 

[HumanDichotomy]

HD is right. Democracy is based on the massive fallacy that is an appeal to majority. The fact that the majority of the population believes X does not make X true or ethical.

It's just that we haven't found a better way to deal with the issue of government.

And, in this case, it's not even a majority opinion, as outlined by my previous post.

 

[Silver Persian]

And, in this case, it's not even a majority opinion, as outlined by my previous post.

Good point

 

[kokodamonkey]

Laws are defined by society. If society really cared about gay rights etc, then the government would be forced to change these laws due to public pressure. This is how a democracy works fool...

we do care about gay rights.... and we have given rights to gays.. so whats the issue..

 

[Sprangler]

we do care about gay rights.... and we have given rights to gays.. so whats the issue..

The issue is that they shouldn't have to have been "given" rights in the first place, and as it stands they still don't have enough rights, so shut the fuck up .