The right to bully (4 Viewers)

[SAVAK]

are you allowed to have sex with a work m8 under freedom?

 

[Napstar]

you can have sex with whatever you like under freedom

 

[SAVAK]

m8 can i get fired?

 

[loquasagacious]

you can have sex with whatever you like under freedom

Though doing so may have contractual implications in the workplace or other situations.

 

[Napstar]

m8 can i get fired?

m8 you work as a farm hand ok i am not liking where this is going

 

[jennyfromdabloc]

Why should a person be stopped from visiting certain web pages just because they may be subjected to abuse/bullying by another person whilst on that page?

Notice I just said webpages, not websites.

For instance, if someone is bullying you on facebook, you don't have to stop using facebook, just don't go to their page, or block and delete them.

 

[David Spade]

Oh yeah i didnt make that distinction

 

[redmayne]

That's absolute rubbish.

It's not about viewing the page yourself, as such. Sure that makes it worse, but it'd be more about the knowledge that this shit is going on. The knowledge of what people are doing.

Blocking them on Facebook or YouTube doesn't just block out the problem altogether, that's totally ridiculous. The event still happened, and they were obviously bullying the kid a fair bit at school.

That's where libertarianism becomes utterly heartless and stupid. "Just let the little bullied girly deal with it herself, tell her to harden the fuck up."

What if they maimed, raped or killed her in the end? Pretty sure someone's getting directly affected there. Do you still insist on the courts staying out of it then?

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

If someone taps you on the arse, alludes to the fact they want to bang you, comments on your tits etc

you get
the fuck
over it

Lol @ your avatar. I know her. She went to the same school as me.

And I'm sorry, but not everyone's as macho as you.

 

[Planck]

That's where libertarianism becomes utterly heartless and stupid. "Just let the little bullied girly deal with it herself, tell her to harden the fuck up."

What if they maimed, raped or killed her in the end? Pretty sure someone's getting directly affected there. Do you still insist on the courts staying out of it then?

You are utterly fucking retarded in your understanding of Libertarianism if you even have to ask that question.

 

[David Spade]

Lol @ your avatar. I know her. She went to the same school as me.

And I'm sorry, but not everyone's as macho as you.

lol fuckn did you really

that must have been horrible

 

[Planck]

You do understand the difference between swearing at someone and hitting someone, right?

 

[Planck]

Calling you fat is the same as raping you. The exact same.

Redmayne, look up the concept of personal sovreignty and in particular the sphere of sovereign.

 

[redmayne]

Oh shit dude you're so hard hey, macho as hell. Really, really intelligent.

Just be quiet, honestly. Leave the bravado out.

Someone is being hurt, okay? As expected, they do not like that, okay? The bullies were not benefiting from it in anyway, even if they think they were, they were only hurting someone. Therefore, punishing it is justified.

Why let the little fuckers that did it get off scott free? Don't they deserve a comeuppance and a lesson on how to be decent? And doesn't the victim deserve that from her side as well?

 

[jennyfromdabloc]

Someone is being hurt, okay? As expected, they do not like that, okay? The bullies were not benefiting from it in anyway, even if they think they were, they were only hurting someone. Therefore, punishing it is justified.

Why let the little fuckers that did it get of scott free? Don't they deserve a comeuppance and a lesson on how to be decent? And doesn't the victim deserve that from her side as well?

Being emotionally hurt is extremely subjective. If we are to say people have a right to not have their feelings hurt online (when browsing sites they can easily just close if they don't like) we can start to ban all sorts of things.

I prefer to err on the side of caution when it comes to protecting free speech, and that means preserving a right to unlimited free speech.

If that results in some kids getting away with being mean to each other, then so be it.

It's also extremely difficult and expensive to interpret all the millions of pieces of communication that could potentially be the subject of litigation.

How does a court, or a school principal, determine if a comment was a lighthearted joke between friends or a serious jab.

How serious must bullying be before it can be dealt with in such a way. Is a minor insult like "you're fat" enough?

Is it a good use of limited resources of schools and/or the legal system to be considering such matters?

 

[khorne]

I must say I support the court...

Additionally, to the above comment(s), I will say that, not only is being "hurt" emotionally subjective, I believe (perhaps controversially) that emotional pain can only be brought to oneself...For example, you can choose to let comments or insults "get to you" or hurt you, or you can choose to ignore them, solely up to yourself.

Those people who get offended by such petty matters really need to toughen the fuck up. Kids will be kids, and emotions are very irrational to say the least.

 

[redmayne]

Emotional bullying is not not some superfluous form of bullying...

Bullying can lead to mental illness, says study - Education News, Education - The Independent

It causes serious problems. Not so subjective actually, if the person is feeling hurt...

Come on, everyone here knows how a school works, even if she only sees the thing website the first time, she's gonna be constantly reminded of it, in nice and nasty ways at school.

Well I prefer to err on the side of protecting the victim, rather than the bully.

I mean seriously..."the right to bully", fuck off. What about the right not to be bullied.

 

[khorne]

I hope you don't lose your ipod, redmayne

 

[redmayne]

Emotional bullying is not not some superfluous form of bullying...

Bullying can lead to mental illness, says study - Education News, Education - The Independent

It causes serious problems. Not so subjective actually, if the person is feeling hurt...

Come on, everyone here knows how a school works, even if she only sees the thing website the first time, she's gonna be constantly reminded of it, in nice and nasty ways at school.

Well I prefer to err on the side of protecting the victim, rather than the bully.

I mean seriously..."the right to bully", fuck off. What about the right not to be bullied.

Just coz you're - evidently - very tough when it comes to abuse. Doesn't mean everyone has to be. People are inherently different in the amount of bullying, stress and pain can take. You can't just tell them that they brought this on themselves, it's all up to them.

 

[Phoenix Fury]

i must say i support the court...

Additionally, to the above comment(s), i will say that, not only is being "hurt" emotionally subjective, i believe (perhaps controversially) that emotional pain can only be brought to oneself...for example, you can choose to let comments or insults "get to you" or hurt you, or you can choose to ignore them, solely up to yourself.

Those people who get offended by such petty matters really need to toughen the fuck up. Kids will be kids, and emotions are very irrational to say the least.

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