• Congratulations to the Class of 2024 on your results!
    Let us know how you went here
    Got a question about your uni preferences? Ask us here

Abbott thinks reading the Bible should be compulsory in schools (6 Viewers)

SylviaB

Just Bee Yourself 🐝
Joined
Nov 26, 2008
Messages
6,909
Location
Lidcombe
Gender
Female
HSC
2021
I'm sure he lives in great fear of the LDP unseating him.

Oh don't worry, i realise the futility in voting for them as much as the next guy, but liberals were always my lesser of two evils vote. Now that's not even an option.
 

SnowFox

Premium Member
Joined
Jan 27, 2009
Messages
5,455
Location
gone
Gender
Undisclosed
HSC
2009
Also, you have to consider how the Bible will be "taught" or "read".

Will students be encouraged to develop their own perspective or understanding of the text (which could be a negative/positive interpretation of its contents), or will the Bible be taught as "fact" and "truth" with no room for students to interpret the Bible as a partly fictitious text?
Well atleast it isnt the Qua ran.
 

Will Shakespear

mumbo magic
Joined
Mar 4, 2006
Messages
1,186
Gender
Male
HSC
2013
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

And that's something we want exposed to our children? It's vile.
The author of that quote firmly agrees that you need to know abou the Bible to understand much of western history and culture, particularly art and literature. So there's some value to knowing about the Bible, at least so you can understand those things better... e.g. much of Shakespeare loses meaning if you don't get the many biblical references.

So in some ways he might have a point and most ppl itt are being a bit hysterical.

...


Anyway, if I had to do Bible readings with a group of kids as a teacher, I'd pick the following readings for study in the first week:

Genesis 19:30-38

Genesis 19:30-38 - PassageLookup - New International Version - BibleGateway.com

2 Kings 2:23-24
2 Kings 2:23-24 - PassageLookup - Contemporary English Version - BibleGateway.com

Ezekial 4:1-15
Ezekial 4:1-15 - PassageLookup - Contemporary English Version - BibleGateway.com

The class discussions on them would be interesting. Then in the 2nd week we could get started on all the genocides.

Seriously though, kids think the bible is a boring old book full of feel-good moral stories and teaching about how to behave, written in inacessible old fashioned language.

The best way to break the mystery and show how ridiculous, archaic and man-made it all is, is to actually show them the weird shit in there.

Probably not what Abbott has in mind, though.
 

Slidey

But pieces of what?
Joined
Jun 12, 2004
Messages
6,600
Gender
Male
HSC
2005
What the hell are you? I thought you were on the right.
Does you brain simply explode at the thought that one can be economically conservative without being a socially conservative religious nutjob? :eek:

Here's a tip for you mate: do a Google search for 'libertarian'.
 

Riet

Tomcat Pilot
Joined
Mar 9, 2006
Messages
3,622
Location
Miramar, CA
Gender
Male
HSC
2013
Freedom is the right of all sentient beings, religious people surrender that right.
 

Planck

Banned
Joined
Aug 15, 2009
Messages
741
Gender
Male
HSC
N/A
Freedom is the RIGHT OF ALL

sentient beings

FREEDOM

Libertarians forever
 

Iron

Ecclesiastical Die-Hard
Joined
Jul 14, 2004
Messages
7,765
Gender
Male
HSC
2004
Meh. Our parents have just robbed us of the tradition and culture that their parents and their parents and their parents and their parents and their parents... so carefully and generously ensured that they received. It was ok for our parents to drift thru life on the same course of truth in which they were launched (while rejecting the ultimate destination), but the lifeboats theyve set off have been set to drift in a harsh ocean, scattered and alone, left to discover God on their own despite the strong and ruinous currents and waves that batter them from all sides
 

Omie Jay

gone
Joined
Nov 8, 2006
Messages
6,673
Location
in my own pants
Gender
Female
HSC
2007
kids should be taught about all religions, and about the theory of evolution, then they should make up their own mind about what they wanna follow.

just like how in years 7-10 they study languages and history and geography and maths and science, then in yr 11 and 12 they decide what field they wanna go into.
 

SashatheMan

StudyforEver
Joined
Apr 25, 2004
Messages
5,656
Location
Queensland
Gender
Male
HSC
N/A
I think comparative religious studying are a great thing. But i don't think that is what Abott was suggesting.
 

jb_nc

Google "9-11" and "truth"
Joined
Dec 20, 2004
Messages
5,391
Gender
Male
HSC
N/A
kids should be taught about all religions, and about the theory of evolution, then they should make up their own mind about what they wanna follow.

just like how in years 7-10 they study languages and history and geography and maths and science, then in yr 11 and 12 they decide what field they wanna go into.
this is a stupid post
 

Riet

Tomcat Pilot
Joined
Mar 9, 2006
Messages
3,622
Location
Miramar, CA
Gender
Male
HSC
2013
kids should be taught about all religions, and about the theory of evolution, then they should make up their own mind about what they wanna follow.

just like how in years 7-10 they study languages and history and geography and maths and science, then in yr 11 and 12 they decide what field they wanna go into.
Its not evolution vs religion bra, it's evolution vs (page intentionally left blank).
 

Fluorescent

Banned
Joined
Apr 5, 2009
Messages
266
Location
Sydney
Gender
Female
HSC
2009
I never quite understood why religious people feel they need to force religion on people
Likewise with athiests

Your beliefs are personal thing and a religious person practically forced into religion is not exactly genuine


why should anyone be taught about religion.
Why not? Why is everyone so threatened by religion if it's such bullshit, honestly?
People should have the right to know - they should also have the right to choose to accept/reject it
 

philphie

Banned
Joined
Jun 1, 2008
Messages
2,187
Gender
Male
HSC
2009
I never quite understood why religious people feel they need to force religion on people
Likewise with athiests

Your beliefs are personal thing and a religious person practically forced into religion is not exactly genuine
because religious people think they're saving people by forcing their beliefs on others so they can become adherents of their religion.

atheists jsut think they're better than everyone else.

i'm agnostic, so i'm on middleground
 

Fluorescent

Banned
Joined
Apr 5, 2009
Messages
266
Location
Sydney
Gender
Female
HSC
2009
because religious people think they're saving people by forcing their beliefs on others so they can become adherents of their religion.

atheists jsut think they're better than everyone else.

i'm agnostic, so i'm on middleground
I like this analysis its quite accurate
 

SeCKSiiMiNh

i'm a fireball in bed
Joined
Mar 6, 2008
Messages
2,618
Location
island of screaming orgasms
Gender
Male
HSC
2009
People should have the right to know - they should also have the right to choose to accept/reject it
^That.

This right exists with or without this Abbott thing. Hence, this forcible reading of the bible is a complete waste of time imo. It should be left entirely up to an individual whether or not they wish to pursue a certain religion or faith.

Now.. in the unlikely chance that this rule gets implemented, what would happen to those students who objects this rule? How would that be controlled or regulated?
 

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 6)

Top