Atheism - Discussion thread (6 Viewers)

[occer]

Why does God cause human suffering and disasters? Is it because of pacts with the devil? Or maybe homosexuality?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5TE99sAbwM#t=0m30s

It's a true story...

 

[Name_Taken]

Incorrect. Agnosticism is not an absense of belief - it is an acknowledgement that there is no evidence for the existence or non-existence of God, and that that evidence may in fact be impossible.

But at present, owing to the lack of evidence for either case, agnostics are (presently) neither convinced there is a God or there isn't?

Atheism is an "absence of belief in at least one deity". A-theism, literally "without God".

Isn't that what I said, athiests believe there is no God? Or would you say there is a difference?

Do you actively disbelieve in the existence of a teapot orbiting the sun? No. You don't know whether it is there or not (agnosticism), and at this point in time you can't know, but all things being equal, it's unlikely that there is a teapot (ateapotism).

Wouldn't you say that an ateapotist (lol) believes that there is no teapot? And would subsequently in all probability make the assertion to someone who believes in said teapot "there is no teapot"?


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Athiesm:
1. The doctrine that there is no God or gods.
2. Disbelief or denial in the existence of a God or gods.

 

[SnowFox]

No atheists ever say that.

This is Comingupforair you are quoting, the local dick-for-brains.

 

[Riet]

Disbelief in god is not the same as belief in no god. Most atheists don't say there can't be god - that it is impossible - just that there is no evidence for one.

 

[Name_Taken]

Disbelief in god is not the same as belief in no god. Most atheists don't say there can't be god - that it is impossible - just that there is no evidence for one.

Yea I know.

They're really similar though one goes further than the other.

Various definitions conflict tho, some sources say its the disbelief in God, others say the absence of belief in God.

Quite frustrating.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

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"if you dont like getting laughed at, dont have such funny beliefs"

Your bigotted religion is disgusting sado-masochist white-noise written by cultists, for cultists.
The argument was over long ago, 'believers' are in the wrong, 'non-believers' are correct. If you like being a serville and navie little slave, go for it, but your not allowed to claim you have any intellectual, empirical or ethical grounds to do so. Just like the various cults of Zues and Thor, your particular cult will soon drift of into the obscure, it will not last.
Get it into your head that your psuedo-morality derives itself from mentally constipated, emotionally squalid, physically impoverished desert farmers, who had not thought of things like the wheelbarrow (a mental capacity you can identify with)

You willinging admit your mind is the property of a cult, you follow it's commands 'end of story', the churches 'understanding' of evolution is beam'd down into your constipated little head , how hilariously serville...

Sorry to destroy your reality, but politcal, economic and scientific progress no longer depends on the nauseating 'holy permission' of senile cult leaders, no one cares what they, or their stupified followers think, your disqualified from the discussion, 'end of story'.

I agree Cookie182,
Any conversation with 'believers' quickly turns into a disgusting intellectual raping, it leaves you feeling unclean, people of faith should never attempt to articulate their constipated little minds, its just not on.

What I find most disturbing is 'Bored of Studies' commercial partnership with these criminal 'Self study Bible' internet racketeers,
These snake oil pushing creeps pray on credulous high-school aged children, Bored of Studies facilitates it, trading 'lies to children', what is it? 1$ for every newly minted self-hating cultist.
shameful dealings with shameful hucksters, hang your heads and apologize at once.

incorrect
we do not need evidence to disregard religious doctrines

Which God are you talking about......?
Zues? Rah? Thor? Ganesh? Jesus?
how do you know which one to pick?
Oh wait, let me guess, you parents picked for you..yea, you see, that's how every single cult survives, due to evolution by natural selection, we absorb what our parents tell us during early childhood.

Yea great! so when my cook book says 'add a cup of sugar' I can interpret that to mean 'God is the breeze that vacates my ass when I take a shit'...

The christian bible was written by a dirty bronze aged cult hundreds of years ago, it is one of the many cult manuals in existence, and is largely plagiarized from previous cult manuals, it is a failed attempt at history, science and ethics,
it's exactly what we'd expect from a mentally and physically impoverished middle eastern peoples.

to this:

Thats what the Athiest's say (i.e. through evolution we just 'poofed' into existence,i.e. an old fashioned tautology). I accept the notion that time and space correlate rather than 'causate', meaning the true solution lies in the 3rd variable, God Grace.

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Oh dear lord. You've gone native!!! You're one of them! What made you cross over?

 

[Kwayera]

Well you'll find that there is no "atheist doctrine". Atheism means something different for everyone, so definitions are kind of useless. We don't have dogma or set definitions like religions do

But yes, there is a difference between non-belief and active disbelief. Agnosticts accept that there is no evidence either way for the existence of any gods, but if you go further into it, agnosticism has variations: theistic (leaning towards yes), atheistic (leaning towards no/without) and apathetic (not caring either way).

Atheism in this context means "without" or "not". It's not an active thing; we generally don't actively disbelieve. Belief just isn't there.

 

[SnowFox]

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Oh dear lord. You've gone native!!! You're one of them! What made you cross over?

Its a troll, it randomly blurts out stuff to Piss Off the masses.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

Its a troll, it randomly blurts out stuff to Piss Off the masses.

I guess you're right. Though his previous posts were more "entertaining".

 

[ComingUpForAir]

Well you'll find that there is no "atheist doctrine". Atheism means something different for everyone, so definitions are kind of useless. We don't have dogma or set definitions like religions do

But yes, there is a difference between non-belief and active disbelief. Agnosticts accept that there is no evidence either way for the existence of any gods, but if you go further into it, agnosticism has variations: theistic (leaning towards yes), atheistic (leaning towards no/without) and apathetic (not caring either way).

Atheism in this context means "without" or "not". It's not an active thing; we generally don't actively disbelieve. Belief just isn't there.

Incorrect, Atheism refers do the unproven, unfalsifiable belief that something can come out of nothing.

Deism refers to the acceptance that we will never truly understand Gods Grace, and that we will only ever understand what its like to be in the presence of Gods Grace (I am a deist)

Theism refers to the belief that one can not only know when in presence of Gods grace, but can actually interpret Gods Grace, that is, know the will of God.

The dogmatic athiests, who are on par with theists, fail to realise 'God' is just a term that embodies all that we are not able to perceive as humans.

 

[philphie]

Incorrect, Atheism refers do the unproven, unfalsifiable belief that something can come out of nothing.

Deism refers to the acceptance that we will never truly understand Gods Grace, and that we will only ever understand what its like to be in the presence of Gods Grace (I am a deist)

Theism refers to the belief that one can not only know when in presence of Gods grace, but can actually interpret Gods Grace, that is, know the will of God.

The dogmatic athiests, who are on par with theists, fail to realise 'God' is just a term that embodies all that we are not able to perceive as humans.

end this racist thread immediately

 

[ComingUpForAir]

Its a troll, it randomly blurts out stuff to Piss Off the masses.

haven't you got a basement of petrified toddlers to attend to?

 

[SnowFox]

haven't you got a basement of petrified toddlers to attend to?

Nope, but your mother keeps calling me for some unknown reason, tell her I dont deal with transsexuals thanks.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

Nope, but your mother keeps calling me for some unknown reason, tell her I dont deal with transsexuals thanks.

Oh come now children. Let's all play nicely!

 

[annabackwards]

Read my previous post again. What evidence is there to support the notion that the universe is governed by a series of finite laws which can be discovered and understood by the human through observation and experimentation?

What evidence do you even have to support the notion that humans are even capable of actually understanding all there is to know in the universe?

Answer; nothing, you have no evidence, all you have is faith that we are able to and our methods are correct.

Cease you're hypocrisy.

If you did not rely on faith as much as I do (faith in a different thing however), neither of us would have anything to argue.

And if you read mine again, i told you that i do not believe humans are capable of "actually understanding all there is to know in the universe. I said that i accept facts as they come and do not believe/see the need to put my faith in a being for which there is no proof of his/her/it's existence. So please, stop incorrectly labelling athiests hypocrites when you don't even know how to read.

Disbelief in god is not the same as belief in no god. Most atheists don't say there can't be god - that it is impossible - just that there is no evidence for one.

+1

Yea I know.

They're really similar though one goes further than the other.

Various definitions conflict tho, some sources say its the disbelief in God, others say the absence of belief in God.

Quite frustrating.

Oh so you finally understand what i've been saying...

 

[ComingUpForAir]

Nope, but your mother keeps calling me for some unknown reason, tell her I dont deal with transsexuals thanks.

Playing ultra-violent ethnic butcher-rape-hate games 24/7 will do that to you, i.e. you'll hear imaginary voices calling you to 'rape and murder them'.

The disturbing thing is I know your not joking, you actually hear these sinister voices. Another reason to limit your online diet. Boy.

 

[SnowFox]

Playing ultra-violent ethnic butcher-rape-hate games 24/7 will do that to you, i.e. you'll hear imaginary voices calling you to 'rape and murder them'.

The disturbing thing is I know your not joking, you actually hear these sinister voices. Another reason to limit your online diet. Boy.

Come up with something new please.

 

[Name_Taken]

Well you'll find that there is no "atheist doctrine". Atheism means something different for everyone, so definitions are kind of useless. We don't have dogma or set definitions like religions do

But yes, there is a difference between non-belief and active disbelief. Agnosticts accept that there is no evidence either way for the existence of any gods, but if you go further into it, agnosticism has variations: theistic (leaning towards yes), atheistic (leaning towards no/without) and apathetic (not caring either way).

Atheism in this context means "without" or "not". It's not an active thing; we generally don't actively disbelieve. Belief just isn't there.

Thanks

But, what would be used to describe a person who "actively disbelieves" as opposed to an "athiest" which is a person who simply does not believe? Is there a proper term for that?

It is quite confusing as roughly half of the definitions of "athiest" describe it as actively disbelieving (not in those words exaclty but to that effect), the other half describing it as you say, merely an absence of belief.

Its just most athiests I know would be more than happy to argue about how God does not exist, implying that many (if not most) "athiests" (well at least those I have come across) in fact actively disbelieve, and don't just "not believe".

And say we call active disbelief, "nogodism", that would mean that all "nogodists" are athiests, but not all athiests are "nogodists", right?

 

[ClockworkSoldier]

Playing ultra-violent ethnic butcher-rape-hate games 24/7 will do that to you, i.e. you'll hear imaginary voices calling you to 'rape and murder them'.

The disturbing thing is I know your not joking, you actually hear these sinister voices. Another reason to limit your online diet. Boy.

Uh... I used to play games like you described alot. And by alot I mean 10 hours average a day...

And I never experienced skitzophrenic symptoms like you describe. Nor do I know any gamer that does, has or ever will.

Please provide decent arguments, or get a new one.

 

[Name_Taken]

Oh so you finally understand what i've been saying...

Maybe you explained it badly

Lol, nah I get it now though, took a bit tho