Rudd will lose this election (2 Viewers)

[Lauchlan]

Rudd himself hasn't fucked up, it's the civil servants (or whatever) who have failed to implement his plans properly i.e. putting such a short deadline on the school stimulus thing, which means that they (the builders) were forced to use pre-fabricated materials etc. in order to meet the deadlines.

in other words, the corruption of the civil servants was not expected.

you can criticise the govt for not planning against such corruption, but in the end there are still some pretty good results from such programs.

 

[Lauchlan]

to clarify, the civil servants, the people who run around advising MP's, quietly influencing the politicans, are in their nature conservative.

Since rudd is full of change and whatever, the civil service in trying to keep things the way they want it to be, deliberatly botch up the plans of rudd, i.e. basing the league tables on one unimportant test (NAPLAN) and forgetting anything about the SC and HSC.

i agree with you to an extent regarding the underlined.

 

[Lauchlan]

rudd's plan

his idea

his job to ensure it is implemented correctly

that is woefully incorrect.

all this business with head politicians saying 'the buck stops with me' are just punchlines... nothing more nothing less.

the blame lies with the relevent individuals apart of the govt (ie. civil servants).... then the administration of the govt is criticised.

 

[Lauchlan]

It was Gillard pushing the NAPLAN tests and it was teachers fighting against it because they all hate the My School website so I'm not really sure what you mean with civil servants. People who do HSC and SC don't even have to do NAPLAN tests they are just used to test students under year 10. Trying to say the civil service is conservative and botching up Rudd's plans it just a silly scapegoat tactic. No wonder people can't see through Rudd's fake personality they can't even admit he's made big mistakes.

the "policy" in question ie. MySchool, NAPLAN - are good for the govt to use, but not necessarily for publicising. I agree that Gillard should be criticised on that and is.

however, once again i am yet to see a comparison from the opposition's education minister. therefore i also put across that criticism.

 

[Lauchlan]

The problem with Tony Abbott is that he can criticize but he can't seem to offer anything constructive. I'm sure he has some good ideas but constantly bagging the government and having nothing to offer in reputing their policies looks bad.

also, he needs to stop saying 'big new tax'. makes him sound god damn illiterate.

+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1.... (i agree)

 

[zombie omie jay]

pm>ministers>ministerial depts>civil servants>contractors

 

[Lauchlan]

pm>ministers>ministerial depts>civil servants>contractors

your point>?

 

[zombie omie jay]

well as you can see

contractors are controlled by civil servants
who are controlled by their corresponding governmental departments
who are controlled by their ministers
who are controlled by the pm

!

therefore
the buck surely does end with mr K Rudd

 

[Lauchlan]

well as you can see

contractors are controlled by civil servants
who are controlled by their corresponding governmental departments
who are controlled by their ministers
who are controlled by the pm

!

therefore
the buck surely does end with mr K Rudd

you would think that, but usually it is not the case - just look at the past.

anyways, you are making too a broad links. with that logic you could blame PMs for events such as the GFC.

 

[zombie omie jay]

not making his financial services guys to ask their govt dept to develop strategies to prevent financial guys from acting the way they did

 

[Debauchee]

anyways, you are making too a broad links. with that logic you could blame PMs for events such as the GFC.

Ron Paul predicted five years ago that government policies would cause an economic crash


and they did

 

[Lauchlan]

not making his financial services guys to ask their govt dept to develop strategies to prevent financial guys from acting the way they did

it depends on what policy in question you are specifically refering to, but there are usually strict guidelines and strategies in place prior to such events. again, give specific details and i may be able to make better judgements.

 

[Lauchlan]

Don't argue with Lauchlan he's a retard

no u.

come back for more eh? lol let the rage begin ftl.

 

[Lauchlan]

Ron Paul predicted five years ago that government policies would cause an economic crash


and they did

too long; didnt watch - i wasnt directly refering to america.

 

[SylviaB]

too long; didnt watch -

If you're not going to spend all of a FEW MINUTES to learn up on a subject then you shouldn't even be fucking posting in the first place.

i wasnt directly refering to america.

there wouldn't have been a gfc if it weren't for america

 

[SnowFox]

DOW dropped 1000 points this morning.

Blame Europe or blame the typo?

 

[Lauchlan]

If you're not going to spend all of a FEW MINUTES to learn up on a subject then you shouldn't even be fucking posting in the first place.







there wouldn't have been a gfc if it weren't for america

calm down, all i said originally is that its not 100% govt accountability for such events - as for the GFC im thinking like the economic recessions in the past the neglience and greediness of some are the factors to blame.

 

[zombie omie jay]

lauchlan is a wannabe /b/tard
wow

 

[scuba_steve2121]

calm down, all i said originally is that its not 100% govt accountability for such events - as for the GFC im thinking like the economic recessions in the past the neglience and greediness of some are the factors to blame.

you are so fucking dumb learn how the business cycle works and then come back. *cough expansion of credit cough*

 

[Lauchlan]

you are so fucking dumb learn how the business cycle works and then come back. *cough expansion of credit cough*

no u. im talking about the 100% distribution of accountability. it doesn't all lie in one place.