Juliar betrays australia, destroys our economic future (5 Viewers)

[Lentern]

there aren't any banks or junk who will benefit from an ETS

Everyone will benefit from the evasion of the greatest threat to mankind since the Ice Age.

 

[Blastus]

Everyone will benefit from the evasion of the greatest threat to mankind since the Ice Age.

hahahahah stop it

 

[qawe]

Ok then, you go with the consensus of the murdoch press, I'll go with the consensus of the scientific community.

im talking about abbott's direct action plan, what would the scientific community know about analysing a politicians motives

 

[qawe]

Ok then, you go with the consensus of the murdoch press, I'll go with the consensus of the scientific community.

in addition, even youd agree the murdoch press is more qualified to represent the general consensus on the right than the scientific community

 

[scuba_steve2121]

Oh please.

k I'll be around when you feel like producing a real response, or just admit I'm right

 

[qawe]

k I'll be around when you feel like producing a real response, or just admit I'm right

+1

 

[Trebla]

I personally think the effect of carbon tax will be much like when the GST came in i.e. we all whinge about it and hate it at first but we eventually get used to it and move on...

What I find quite interesting is that the moment Rudd shelved the emissions trading scheme was when his all time high popularity began to plummet which seems to indicate that voters weren't happy that they weren't going to get a floating carbon price. However, the moment Gillard introduces pretty much a similar thing (a fixed carbon price) effectively trying to undo what Rudd did, her popularity took a massive dive.

I think the cause of this is the fact she did say it wouldn't be introduced during the election campaign and voters are just punishing her for being inconsistent (hence the 'Juliar') rather than actually evaluating the policy itself (not to mention the negative connotations of the word 'carbon tax' compared to 'emissions trading scheme') much like Rudd promised to introduce the emissions trading scheme and got punished for breaking that promise. All those mass protests against the carbon tax never really happened to such a large scale when Rudd was trying to push the emissions trading scheme through (which is effectively a similar policy). If another more credible leader introduced the same thing, I doubt the response would be anywhere near as negative as it is at the moment.

It seems the Australian public pays more attention to the politics (whether they keep their promises or not) rather than the actual policy. Somehow Gillard is regaining popularity after the carbon tax passed through (though still way off from election winning position) which might suggest that some voters are satisfied that she finally got something done for once.

 

[Lentern]

k I'll be around when you feel like producing a real response, or just admit I'm right

This nasty greenie communists holding a blowtorch to the puppet Juliar stuff is an absolute pathetic line of argument and you know it. It doesn't warrant an educated response, it doesn't warrant the time you spent to write it.

 

[Lentern]

in addition, even youd agree the murdoch press is more qualified to represent the general consensus on the right than the scientific community

I wouldn't trust the Murdoch press to credibly represent jack.

 

[scuba_steve2121]

This nasty greenie communists holding a blowtorch to the puppet Juliar stuff is an absolute pathetic line of argument and you know it. It doesn't warrant an educated response, it doesn't warrant the time you spent to write it.

greens made her do da carbon tax, seems pretty valid to me

 

[Lentern]

greens made her do da carbon tax, seems pretty valid to me

It had always been the policy of the Labor Party to put a price on carbon, they ran with that platform in 2007, Gillard reaffirmed it after Rudd was rolled and again just before the 2010 election. They ruled out a carbon tax like that which the greens were advocating and consistant with that promise have implemented an emmisions trading scheme. Take your delusory soundbits and shove them up your arse.

 

[scuba_steve2121]

It had always been the policy of the Labor Party to put a price on carbon, they ran with that platform in 2007, Gillard reaffirmed it after Rudd was rolled and again just before the 2010 election. They ruled out a carbon tax like that which the greens were advocating and consistant with that promise have implemented an emmisions trading scheme. Take your delusory soundbits and shove them up your arse.

hahahah but she said there wouldn't be one, in response to a question that was whether she would do one if there was a minority government, where she would have to rely on the greens HAHAAHAHAHAHA

 

[scuba_steve2121]

 

[Lentern]

hahahah but she said there wouldn't be one, in response to a question that was whether she would do one if there was a minority government, where she would have to rely on the greens HAHAAHAHAHAHA

Link? I have never heard or read anything in which Gillard ruled out an emmisions trading scheme.

 

[qawe]

I wouldn't trust the Murdoch press to credibly represent jack.

so scientists are journos now?

 

[qawe]

This nasty greenie communists holding a blowtorch to the puppet Juliar stuff is an absolute pathetic line of argument and you know it. It doesn't warrant an educated response, it doesn't warrant the time you spent to write it.

how about the part that this is a wealth redistribution scheme?

 

[qawe]

I wouldn't trust the Murdoch press to credibly represent jack.

how come ur a member of the young liberals group?

 

[Lentern]

What about the wealth distribution element?

Because I believe in Liberal Democratic government, I am a member and am proud to be a member of the party of Costello, the party of Fraser, the party of Gorton and the party of Menzies. Yes John Howard and Tony Abbott have perverted it's noble history, attempted to transform it into a party xenophobia and scientific denial but John Howard is gone and Tony Abbott's grip on power is rapidly slipping. Like Labor and Kevin Rudd, Abbott will be swiftly cut down the moment his polling becomes relatively vulnerable in favour of some who actually represents Australian values of tolerance, respect and compassion. Perhaps not Turnbull, I understand he bruised a lot of ego's with his dictatorial leadership but Hockey, Bishop or Robb. John Howard's Brutopia was an anomaly only allowed by the hysteria that swept the world in the aftermath of 9/11, his legacy will soon be abandoned once and for all.

 

[Subhas Bose]

hi trish what have you done with lentern

 

[mirakon]

What about the wealth distribution element?

Because I believe in Liberal Democratic government, I am a member and am proud to be a member of the party of Costello, the party of Fraser, the party of Gorton and the party of Menzies. Yes John Howard and Tony Abbott have perverted it's noble history, attempted to transform it into a party xenophobia and scientific denial but John Howard is gone and Tony Abbott's grip on power is rapidly slipping. Like Labor and Kevin Rudd, Abbott will be swiftly cut down the moment his polling becomes relatively vulnerable in favour of some who actually represents Australian values of tolerance, respect and compassion. Perhaps not Turnbull, I understand he bruised a lot of ego's with his dictatorial leadership but Hockey, Bishop or Robb. John Howard's Brutopia was an anomaly only allowed by the hysteria that swept the world in the aftermath of 9/11, his legacy will soon be abandoned once and for all.

isn't he even worse?