Is Australia racist? (4 Viewers)

[hayabusaboston]

no it wasn't, crime was on the rise during the 60s and 70s too, a simple google search validates this. Before that, there is little statistical data. The point being there was more crime during apartheid than there is now and therefore you can't say that "there was none of this during the power of the white man". Furthermore, I note you completely neglected the data on economics and GDP improvements since apartheid was cut off. The connection is if you actively oppress a people under institutionalised racism and treat them as inferior sub-humans they are going to understandably fight back. Inequality is one of the main roots for crime and under apartheid or "white man power" in your words, inequality is pretty much the norm.

as for 3, you clearly have no idea how the burden of proof works. If you generalise that black people always fuck things up when left to their own devices, please prove it.

Once again 1. is irrelevant because it has nothing to do with Australia but I will indulge you. If you treat a people like shit for centuries, to the point where violence as a way of life becomes ingrained as a part of their psyche, it will take time to heal from this. South Africa as of recently no longer has the highest rape rate in the world and murders have been down since apartheid was abolished.

As for recent technological developments from sub saharan africa this is not even REMOTELY relevant to whether or not we should let african immigrants into Australia

Well m8 yes I do, I do debating, so if you disagree then you fucking DISPROVE IT. Its not my fucking responsibility to prove, you're arguing against, so you DISprove. Do you even IQ brah??

1 has nothing to do with australia, it has everything to do with australia's perception of cultural revolution in another country. thus it is RELEVANT. STOP BULLSHITTING.

Technological advancements of people from sub saharan africa is DIRECTLY relevant to australia br8, you said yourself that australians are always keen to accept "skilled immigration" from other countries. The technological advancements of sub saharan africa give you a very clear indication of the "technological skills" that immigrants from there have developed, YOU SAID YOURSELF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IMMIGRANTS ARE CAPABLE OF.

Learning about their technological background is DIRECTLY RELEVANT TO THIS. fuck.

 

[hayabusaboston]

lol a film from 1966 talking about how blacks are inferior, when apartheid was at it's peak in South Africa. Good job lol, seems like a relevant video to a discussion on black people immigrating to Australia in 2013

Cultures and their associated practices dont just "disappear" in 40 years you idiot, this is still reflective of the exact same things that are happening in africa today.

 

[Kiraken]

Well m8 yes I do, I do debating, so if you disagree then you fucking DISPROVE IT. Its not my fucking responsibility to prove, you're arguing against, so you DISprove. Do you even IQ brah??

1 has nothing to do with australia, it has everything to do with australia's perception of cultural revolution in another country. thus it is RELEVANT. STOP BULLSHITTING.

Technological advancements of people from sub saharan africa is DIRECTLY relevant to australia br8, you said yourself that australians are always keen to accept "skilled immigration" from other countries. The technological advancements of sub saharan africa give you a very clear indication of the "technological skills" that immigrants from there have developed, YOU SAID YOURSELF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IMMIGRANTS ARE CAPABLE OF.

Learning about their technological background is DIRECTLY RELEVANT TO THIS. fuck.

no, this is really quite fruitless as you can't back up your wild generalisation. I didn't expect you to though because it's bullshit

yes because an immigrant's worth to a country should definitely be based on the technological advances his race has made, particularly after his race is just recovering from finally being emancipated from white rule.

 

[hayabusaboston]

no it wasn't, crime was on the rise during the 60s and 70s too, a simple google search validates this. Before that, there is little statistical data. The point being there was more crime during apartheid than there is now and therefore you can't say that "there was none of this during the power of the white man". Furthermore, I note you completely neglected the data on economics and GDP improvements since apartheid was cut off. The connection is if you actively oppress a people under institutionalised racism and treat them as inferior sub-humans they are going to understandably fight back. Inequality is one of the main roots for crime and under apartheid or "white man power" in your words, inequality is pretty much the norm.

as for 3, you clearly have no idea how the burden of proof works. If you generalise that black people always fuck things up when left to their own devices, please prove it.

Once again 1. is irrelevant because it has nothing to do with Australia but I will indulge you. If you treat a people like shit for centuries, to the point where violence as a way of life becomes ingrained as a part of their psyche, it will take time to heal from this. South Africa as of recently no longer has the highest rape rate in the world and murders have been down since apartheid was abolished.

As for recent technological developments from sub saharan africa this is not even REMOTELY relevant to whether or not we should let african immigrants into Australia

Economic stability and progress +GDP, is supremely inferior today than it was in apartheid time. South africa was a stable country, now it is in ruin.

Show me that south africa is advancing at a faster rate than when white man was in power. fucking show me.

 

[hayabusaboston]

no, this is really quite fruitless as you can't back up your wild generalisation. I didn't expect you to though because it's bullshit

yes because an immigrant's worth to a country should definitely be based on the technological advances his race has made, particularly after his race is just recovering from finally being emancipated from white rule.

There is nothing to back up, it is an obvious observation to anyone with a remotely high IQ that skilled immigration is what you want, and if you look into the country where immigrants come from you can gain an idea of their capabilities to contribute to society. Who the fuck do you think you're fooling? Do you think we're idiots? Im not making any generalisations, im making obvious observations to the remotely intelligent individual.

And the technological advances an immigrants country has made, like IQ, give an indication of the potential of that immigrant in the workforce. WHAT THE FUCK MAN, WHO ARE YOU TRYING TO FOOL>??

 

[Kiraken]

Cultures and their associated practices dont just "disappear" in 40 years you idiot, this is still reflective of the exact same things that are happening in africa today.

yes, clearly africa is exactly the same now as it was under apartheid 40 years ago. This is certainly demonstrated by this irrefutably amazing Mondo film by Italian documentary makers (everyone knows two native Italians would know everything about black people in South Africa) with no bias, no factual inaccuracies and which was only criticised by evil black sympathising propaganda people. This is fantastic proof why Australia should not have african immigrants today in 2013

 

[Kiraken]

There is nothing to back up, it is an obvious observation to anyone with a remotely high IQ that skilled immigration is what you want, and if you look into the country where immigrants come from you can gain an idea of their capabilities to contribute to society. Who the fuck do you think you're fooling? Do you think we're idiots? Im not making any generalisations, im making obvious observations to the remotely intelligent individual.

And the technological advances an immigrants country has made, like IQ, give an indication of the potential of that immigrant in the workforce. WHAT THE FUCK MAN, WHO ARE YOU TRYING TO FOOL>??

this is honestly just a terrible post

you expect a people oppressed up till barely 20 years ago, still recovering from many years of oppression, treated as second class citizens with minimal access to resources and education to start pumping out sophisticated technology? And you think this will be a direct judge of how much they can contribute to Australian society if they choose to immigrate? Are you seriously this retarded?

Also spare me the IQ bullshit, that argument took up pages on the other thread and the argument that average IQ of a race should be a determinant of who immigrates into a country went nowhere. I also suggest you stop parading around your "high IQ", sorry to burst your bubble but it isn't that extraordinarily high anyway, not is it relevant.

 

[hayabusaboston]

yes, clearly africa is exactly the same now as it was under apartheid 40 years ago. This is certainly demonstrated by this irrefutably amazing Mondo film by Italian documentary makers (everyone knows two native Italians would know everything about black people in South Africa) with no bias, no factual inaccuracies and which was only criticised by evil black sympathising propaganda people. This is fantastic proof why Australia should not have african immigrants today in 2013

The cultural framework and workings of black society HAS NOT CHANGED. And if you watch the movie you will see this framework and the workings of black society. It does not change in the short space of 47 years.

And did I say australia should not have african immigrants?? NO
I know plenty of black people with high IQ's who are performing brilliantly at school and uni.

I am saying that african people on AVERAGE!!!!!

AVERAGE!!!

Are less likely to contribute AS MUCH to australian society and MORE LIKELY to engage in aggressive and criminal behaviour.


FUck me im getting tired of this lol. SYLVIAB WHERE R U, TAKE OVER PLZ. I have shit to do. Jeez.

 

[hayabusaboston]

this is honestly just a terrible post

you expect a people oppressed up till barely 20 years ago, still recovering from many years of oppression, treated as second class citizens with minimal access to resources and education to start pumping out sophisticated technology? And you think this will be a direct judge of how much they can contribute to Australian society if they choose to immigrate? Are you seriously this retarded?

Also spare me the IQ bullshit, that argument took up pages on the other thread and the argument that average IQ of a race should be a determinant of who immigrates into a country went nowhere. I also suggest you stop parading around your "high IQ", sorry to burst your bubble but it isn't that extraordinarily high anyway, not is it relevant.

GO BACK PAST THAT THEN, FUCKING HeLL
WHITES HAD SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPING FROM THE MOMENT THEY MADE THEIR FIRST FIRE
BLACK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN IN AFRICA FOR THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF YEARS, WHEN WHITE PEOPLE ARRIVED, BLACKS HAD FUCK ALL, mud huts and rags!!

Fuck you're just... so stubborn to observe the facts.... within and before apartheid, blacks lived off the white man. Before white man came, blacks lived as hunters and gatherers. Look at the tribes still in africa! they're perfectly content living as tribesman and hunters and gatherers, the fact cities have been built all around africa doesnt stop them. Now look at europe! do you still see masses of tribal communities still living in a primitive age???

And thats what ive been trying to say all this time, yet ive been criticised as an arrogant prick for it. My IQ is not extraordinarily high, and that does not burst my bubble, I do not care. Thank god you've finally realised this.

 

[Kiraken]

The cultural framework and workings of black society HAS NOT CHANGED. And if you watch the movie you will see this framework and the workings of black society. It does not change in the short space of 47 years.

And did I say australia should not have african immigrants?? NO
I know plenty of black people with high IQ's who are performing brilliantly at school and uni.

I am saying that african people on AVERAGE!!!!!

AVERAGE!!!

Are less likely to contribute AS MUCH to australian society and MORE LIKELY to engage in aggressive and criminal behaviour.


FUck me im getting tired of this lol. SYLVIAB WHERE R U, TAKE OVER PLZ. I have shit to do. Jeez.

the bold is really not worth arguing against, you're just spouting out nonsense. The workings of a black society are different now that they are free from apartheid, you are very dimwitted not to understand that. Major political events can easily change a society in a short time

unfortunately, judging a race on your assumed average is not only irrelevant on the immigration of individuals, it's also pretty much racism masked in pseudo-science.

 

[hayabusaboston]

the bold is really not worth arguing against, you're just spouting out nonsense. The workings of a black society are different now that they are free from apartheid, you are very dimwitted not to understand that. Major political events can easily change a society in a short time

unfortunately, judging a race on your assumed average is not only irrelevant on the immigration of individuals, it's also pretty much racism masked in pseudo-science.

>doesnt know how to respond to what ive said
>claims what I say is bullshit

Yea real smart, saying that IM the one talking shit, just cos you dont know how to reply to it.

 

[hayabusaboston]

the bold is really not worth arguing against, you're just spouting out nonsense. The workings of a black society are different now that they are free from apartheid, you are very dimwitted not to understand that. Major political events can easily change a society in a short time

unfortunately, judging a race on your assumed average is not only irrelevant on the immigration of individuals, it's also pretty much racism masked in pseudo-science.

And how would you fucking know??
I was in africa until 2003/2004. From watching this video I KNOW FOR A FACT ITS THE SAME AS IT IS TODAY. You are dimwitted and ignorant if you think you actually know what you're talking about.

 

[Kiraken]

GO BACK PAST THAT THEN, FUCKING HeLL
WHITES HAD SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPING FROM THE MOMENT THEY MADE THEIR FIRST FIRE
BLACK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN IN AFRICA FOR THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF YEARS, WHEN WHITE PEOPLE ARRIVED, BLACKS HAD FUCK ALL, mud huts and rags!!

Fuck you're just... so stubborn to observe the facts.... within and before apartheid, blacks lived off the white man. Before white man came, blacks lived as hunters and gatherers. Look at the tribes still in africa! they're perfectly content living as tribesman and hunters and gatherers, the fact cities have been built all around africa doesnt stop them. Now look at europe! do you still see masses of tribal communities still living in a primitive age???

And thats what ive been trying to say all this time, yet ive been criticised as an arrogant prick for it. My IQ is not extraordinarily high, and that does not burst my bubble, I do not care. Thank god you've finally realised this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science_and_technology_in_Africa

on the contrary, in ancient times Africa was developing quite normally and at an almost even pace (in fact exceeding that of "white" people ancestors at times).

Also Muslims etc. were way ahead of "white" people technologically, medically etc. in the middle ages.

But once again, i'm just saying this to indulge you. The technological achievements of ancient Europeans and Africans is once again, irrelevant to immigration to Australia in 2013.

the ones who are perfectly content obviously don't want to immigrate so they are irrelevant to this discussion on immigration lol.

if you don't care about IQ then please stop talking about it.

 

[soloooooo]

We have to do what is right for Australia even if it offends some.

 

[Kiraken]

And how would you fucking know??
I was in africa until 2003/2004. From watching this video I KNOW FOR A FACT ITS THE SAME AS IT IS TODAY. You are dimwitted and ignorant if you think you actually know what you're talking about.

lol

im a privileged white man who lived in South Africa for two years and has an obvious sense of racial superiority. I am therefore an expert on black people and my opinion that liberation from apartheid could not have possibly, conceivably changed the lives of black people is 100% correct

 

[hayabusaboston]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science_and_technology_in_Africa

on the contrary, in ancient times Africa was developing quite normally and at an almost even pace (in fact exceeding that of "white" people ancestors at times).

Also Muslims etc. were way ahead of "white" people technologically, medically etc. in the middle ages.

But once again, i'm just saying this to indulge you. The technological achievements of ancient Europeans and Africans is once again, irrelevant to immigration to Australia in 2013.

the ones who are perfectly content obviously don't want to immigrate so they are irrelevant to this discussion on immigration lol.

if you don't care about IQ then please stop talking about it.

Sub saharan africa! FUCK! Not the whole of africa you tool. It is not at all irrelevant, and if you keep saying that then I will have no choice but to conclude you to be stupid and unable to formulate a proper response. Something other than "Thats irrelevant". Answer the fucking question, dont try to weasel your way out of it.

 

[hayabusaboston]

lol

im a privileged white man who lived in South Africa for two years and has an obvious sense of racial superiority. I am therefore an expert on black people and my opinion that liberation from apartheid could not have possibly, conceivably changed the lives of black people is 100% correct

I LIVED THERE FOR OVER HALF MY LIFE IDIOT.

I left in 2003 then came back for a bit in 2004 then left permanently.

Liberation from apartheid was LIBERATION FROM CIVILISATION. Now look where its gotten south africa to.

 

[Kiraken]

Sub saharan africa! FUCK! Not the whole of africa you tool. It is not at all irrelevant, and if you keep saying that then I will have no choice but to conclude you to be stupid and unable to formulate a proper response. Something other than "Thats irrelevant". Answer the fucking question, dont try to weasel your way out of it.

you will also find information on Sub-Saharan Africa there, because in case this has eluded your supreme mind, Sub-Saharan Africa is part of Africa and would therefore be on that page.

Conclude what you wish, i honestly don't care. If your question is irrelevant to the thread then I'm not gonna answer it, make a relevant thread if it's that important to you.

 

[hayabusaboston]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science_and_technology_in_Africa

on the contrary, in ancient times Africa was developing quite normally and at an almost even pace (in fact exceeding that of "white" people ancestors at times).

Also Muslims etc. were way ahead of "white" people technologically, medically etc. in the middle ages.

But once again, i'm just saying this to indulge you. The technological achievements of ancient Europeans and Africans is once again, irrelevant to immigration to Australia in 2013.

the ones who are perfectly content obviously don't want to immigrate so they are irrelevant to this discussion on immigration lol.

if you don't care about IQ then please stop talking about it.

What are you, dyslexic? ffs, firstly, i said I was in africa UNTIL 2003/2004, IMPLYING I LIVED THERE BEFORE THAT IE LONGER THAN TWO YEARS.
second, I said I dont care about MY iq, not IQ in general. IQ in general is, as sylvia said, a great predictor of not only socioeconomic success but a WHOLE HOST OF OTHER FACTORS.

Fuck me, you're just like gillard, you totally twist the words out of my response and act like u totally smashed my question. Well you fucking didnt. You just showed what an idiot you are by not being able to directly answer my question without going off on an irrelevant tangent.

 

[Kiraken]

I LIVED THERE FOR OVER HALF MY LIFE IDIOT.

I left in 2003 then came back for a bit in 2004 then left permanently.

Liberation from apartheid was LIBERATION FROM CIVILISATION. Now look where its gotten south africa to.

i too lament the increase in GDP, reduction in murder and rape rates, treating black people as normal citizens, the abolishment of racial segregation and increased spending on services