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ok... here we go. saving sex. sex is powerful - it has the power to create life - that is power. All things powerful are best contained in boundaries - i.e. fire in a fireplace, rather than a bushfire out of control. Sure a bushfire might be an adventure but it's a lot more dangerous, as it...

naive and stupid? Have you talked to people who've waited? Do you know if they have been disappointed? I'm sure they'd figure sex out. I'm sure if they loved each other enough to take a life long vow then chances are they'd be able to work at good sex. i know people who have regretted sex, yet i...

yes i can. it doesn't mean very much to some people. i was asked however, what marriage is to me. that's what it is to me.

I don't want it to mean very little. it will not mean very little for me. i'm not saying it means a whole lot for everyone but if i am going to stand there and take a vow i am goign to mean it. I didn't say that. at all. Direct quote: "then obviously marriage is going to also be about sex" Heck...

okay... Marriage for me is... A commitment. (not that people cannot have commitment without being married, it's not what i'm saying.) But a vow to love someone until death do you part - that's huge. I don't think it's something to be taken lightly. at all. Marriage is legally legitimate. i.e...

If pre-marital sex is okay, then why shouldn't sleeping around alot be considered the norm? How is there a line, and who can define it? How so? (before i start, i'm not saying all people who have premarital sex are premiscuous - sorry about the spelling). If you can have sex when you want...

i think that your parents' story is fantastic. honestly. For me personally, i believe that marriage is more than just a title that reassures me. I believe marriage is SO much more than that, and that's why i believe sex is for marriage.

The idea of waiting. The idea of waiting is not a 'self righteous' power trip. Firstly i beleive it's romantic. The fact that i have abstained from marriage solely so i could say my wife is the only person i've slept with. Similarly i would find it romantic if she did the same. What i am not...

Would you take it as a compliment if someone called you a whore? Slut? Skank? No. Why? Because there is something intrinsic within us that tells us that those terms are a bad thing to be called. Maybe it's not tradition. Maybe it's moral conscience. Hence the term 'sexually immoral' -...

Freedom? What if the most 'free' people are those that are bound up. I'm not saying something weird for the sake of it, it's true if you think about it. The kids that cannot be controlled in a classroom, that are simply taking advantage of their 'liberty' are the ones that are most...

i wanted to voice my opinion whilst hearing others. i'd explained that one already.

100% of people who arguing against me have no idea about waiting until marriage. I don't claim to know everything about sex. This thread is about sex, but it's also about waiting. I do know about waiting.

there's judgement and there's opinion. obviously every post has a purpose of displaying a particular opinion. as a result of opinion, it's true that intentional acts of augmentation and diminishment occur in order to portray that opinion. that is opinion. Judgement says "you are wrong and i...

Thanks for being reasonable and not just attacking someone for the sake of it. It's appreciated.

insult a guy, and then claim HE is trying to be high and mighty. im not saying my opinions are any more valid than anyone else's. i'm not condemning anyone.

I wanted some other opinions. I want to know what other people think.

You're missing the point. They WOULD be having good sex. Maybe not by someone else's standards, but at least by theirs. And that's ALL that matters.

Dull sex partner...two virgins getting married wouldn't know the meaning of it. It would be the best sex they've ever had. Besides, I'm sure people could learn.

So... Waiting til marriage DOES eliminate the risk of comparison, does it not? (i.e. jane cannot complain that you were not as sexually impressive as john). Fear of not being as good as the last guy she slept with is eliminated, and both husband and wife are on the same level, as they both...

Ok so the condoms and AIDS and all the rest of it...negative physical rammifications right - all that seem 'solvable'. Doesn't evidence suggest that sex is more than 'physical'? If it were PURELY physical, and preventative measures such as Condoms prevented STD's, then why is it that...