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You didnt show me moral law doesnt exist. You just said we have evolved to a higher social order, that doesnt disprove moral law. Deal with facts and evidence ive tried but your only rebbuttal when I supply most atheists with facts on order and design is that "Oh well just cause we dont...

I agree, I think we are getting science and philosphy/theology mixed up. Science can never prove or disprove god. To some it leads people to god to others it leads people away.

Yeah. big bang start of the universe.

I dont have time to retort all those points maybe tomorrow. Im off to bed. Was great talking to you guys. You guys are all really respectful.

Of course you can. God has no beginning. The Universe has a beginning.

Other scientific discovies?? dude how is science ever going to be able to account for the great complexity of life? The ridiculous perfection, moral law? Love? conscience? Justice? I could post a page of all the impossibilities that are required to sustain human life and to me that points to...

But wernt you one of the people who demanded that God being eternal demands something to create that. I dont really see how this is that complex a question. The way I see it either the big bang just happened or something created the big bang.

@ Scorch No but does the evidence point to order coming from disorder, life coming from life? Theism makes sense, atheism doesnt.

Ok, I think this is getting back to the first cause kind of theory. What your saying is that the big bang just happened. There was nothing before the big bang. Nothing. And then it happened. That seems illogical to me.

Im the worst person on science. But dont I remember learning in year 10 science that there was absolute nothingness before the big bang? If so then isnt it more logical to believe that something created something. Or nothing created something.

Rubbish, its not illogical to ask what came before the big bang. Either nothing or something. Simple.

@ seck So you acknoweldge that the order and design could well point to a creator?? But have a problem with it being a monotheistic god?? Unfortunately these gods are the only gods that could possibly fit in with rational theism. haha I think,

What your saying is you need imperical evidence to prove anything?? Scientific proof how about if the big bang occured .4 of a second faster we wouldnt be here.Or the chance of the human enzyme coming about by random chance is 1 in 10 to the power of 40,000 says the applied professer of...

I disagree, I believe something can exist without a beginning. I believe something can be eternal. Time for instance.

How come you think its rubbish??

Thought you guys would like that one.

Hey I posted something on here ages ago. Talking about god. Completely forgot about this site stumbled upon it when looking on belonging notes. I just want to respond to the line of arguement that I read somewhere on this page saying that for a christian to say something came from nothing they...

Thia chicks mum from my school is some head of some sleep thingy for macquarie Uni. She always harps on about how important sleep is for the brain. I rarely go to sleep before 1. I hope that doesnt effect me to much.

Ok so I apoligise if many of these arguements have already been covered I couldn’t be bothered searching through the entire thread or in fact any of the thread. I will just outline some of the reasons I choose to believe in god. Firstly the creation of the universe. Never have I ever seen...