Anyone Politically Involved (1 Viewer)

[kelly_xiao]

hi, , just wondering if anyone here's politically invovled, like joined a party and if yes, which party. I'm interested to see young ppl's political beliefs. If you've joined a political party, what age did you join and how are you invovled politically now?

 

[Kafka]

I am politically active but I refuse to join any political party.

To give you an idea of my rough political stance my two least favourite political groups are One Nation and Socialist Alternative.

 

[Z_Nizzle]

Young Labor REPRESENT!!!

 

[walrusbear]

i'd consider joining the labor party
but i'm not a member at the moment

 

[Wooz]

I'm joining the young liberals in two months when i turn 16. I have also recently applied for the NSW youth parliamenty committee.

 

[Rafy]

I joined the young liberals a few months ago.

 

[erawamai]

I joined the young liberals a few months ago.

I thought you would be a little too wet for the NSW young Liberals.

 

[withoutaface]

Joined the Young Libs a couple of months ago.

I thought you would be a little too wet for the NSW young Liberals.

There are still a fair few wet branches in existence, and I suppose the best way to change a party is from within...

 

[leetom]

I joined the ALP a few months ago. It's great fun, there is just as much debate on Labor factions as there is on the Howard Government. At this month's branch meeting for example, one member vehemently denounced Latham and demanded that the branch pass a motion condemning his recent activities, everybody else (my branch I suspect being majority Left) looked at their feet and stayed silent until the motion was eventually carried, though not before some of us tried altering the motion from "the Wollondilly Branch condemns Mr Latham's outburst" to "the Wollondilly Branch is dissapointed with Mr Latham's outburst".

Then we joked on the Liberal pefromance in Macquarie Fields, content in that they could only go backwards now.

I havn't joined Young Labor, but I think I will to root out the bizarre sorts we seem to attract, such as Z Nizzle.

There are still a fair few wet branches in existence, and I suppose the best way to change a party is from within...

Both parties have to deal with extremist elements, it seems.

 

[withoutaface]

You mean (iirc) a 13% swing is a "backwards" performance?
If we got that kind of swing across the state we'd win government by 2 seats.

 

[erawamai]

Joined the Young Libs a couple of months ago.

There are still a fair few wet branches in existence, and I suppose the best way to change a party is from within...

Pre John Howard I would have said I could have joined either the ALP or the Liberals. If I had joined the Liberals I would have been a wet. However I don't think my socially progressive John Brogden like values would go down too well in the 'modern' Liberal party. I also would never join a party that has implicitly given credence racism, going some ways to legitimising institutional racism or at least arguing for it in the High Court. I can't help but think Holt would not have agreed.

If I joined the ALP I would be in the right faction. My economically liberal views would not fit well with the left.

I doubt that I'd joint the ALP for the infighting and the fact that it is unelectable when the economy is going well.

All in all I'd probably not get involved in politics. I know plenty would share my opinion. Too many people in either party who are simply dingbats and morons. You only have to look at the people who run student politics. On both sides. People with ability tend not to go into public life as much as before. No doubt people like Menzies and Whitlam, if such people exited today, would not have gone into politics. There is more chance they would have stayed in private life working as lawyers.

People with ability shoot for private enterprise these days. Which is sad. Those with the best ability are swallowed up by the private business. All government is left with is the dregs.

 

[erawamai]

What are your views erawamai?

My economically liberal views would not fit well with the left.

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[erawamai]

I was trying to get a larger statement.

Um...I'm not a communist. I believe the freemarket and other neo liberal economic theories are generally the best way to deliver for the community. Individual economic rights are important. Tax cuts are good. blah blah

 

[leetom]

The Liberals really bashed out the "whistleblower nurse" line, and not surprisingly, it won them a 13% swing. That line is now spent and wil no longer serve to win votes in any elections to come. By that time, the anti-IR reform campaign will be striking at the heart of Macquarie Fields and they'll, albeit begrudgingly, return to Labor.

Also, the swing was thanks specifically to Nola Fraser, not the Liberal Party. From Stateline-

While new Liberal leader Peter Debnam was happy to claim credit, it's important to note that on Nola Fraser's how-to-vote card and campaign posters, Liberal Party branding was deliberately downplayed.

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[erawamai]

The Liberals really bashed out the "whistleblower nurse" line, and not surprisingly, it won them a 13% swing. That line is now spent and wil no longer serve to win votes in any elections to come. By that time, the anti-IR reform campaign will be striking at the heart of Macquarie Fields and they'll, albeit begrudgingly, return to Labor.

Also, the swing was thanks specifically to Nola Fraser, not the Liberal Party. From Stateline- .

Generally in by elections there is 5% swing against the government in power. The libs picked up an extra 5 to 8% swing which was a good result for the liberals. however I'm not sure whether they can sustain this. More recently the trains have been running on time. Even my trains have been pulling into the station 3 mins early and leaving on time on the dot.

Peter Debnam, a Vaucluse resident, never looked too comfy out in the west. however he has taken it upon himself to appeal to the west as he has appointed himself shadow minister for the western suburbs - or something of that nature.

 

[withoutaface]

When the IR reforms come in the electorate will see that the ACTU is full of hot air. Much the same as similar organisations were about the GST

 

[erawamai]

When the IR reforms come in the electorate will see that the ACTU is full of hot air. Much the same as similar organisations were about the GST

The GST and the IR reforms are much different. Tax is a big issue. The issue being that the people do not like paying more tax. Whether or not the GST came in or not it wasn't going to impact serious on people employment just whether they are going to pay more or less tax. People were not, potentially, going to loose their jobs.

With IR reforms it is job security that has been put on the table. A much more serious issue than tax. Whether we pay more tax or not everyone still gets to get up and go to work.

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As for the IR reforms themselves I think most right minded people would realise that they are not the most fair way to do it. John Howard's line that its you can be 'unfairly sacked' now but not 'unlawfully sacked' is not much comfort to people out there.

 

[withoutaface]

Yes but my point is that by the next election they will have taken effect, and they will be judged upon their actual impact, not the advertising campaigns.

 

[leetom]

Generally in by elections there is 5% swing against the government in power. The libs picked up an extra 5 to 8% swing which was a good result for the liberals. however I'm not sure whether they can sustain this. More recently the trains have been running on time. Even my trains have been pulling into the station 3 mins early and leaving on time on the dot.

Peter Debnam, a Vaucluse resident, never looked too comfy out in the west. however he has taken it upon himself to appeal to the west as he has appointed himself shadow minister for the western suburbs - or something of that nature.

My analysis-

5% standard anti-govenment swing
5-8% Nola Fraser love vote.

I think the greatest enemy to both parties in the West is apathy. I doubt the whether the majority of them are even enrolled. Note South-West exepriences far greater social turmoil than North-West. When I say West I mean South-West.

The trains are fixed, finally. A credit to the Iemma Government.

 

[erawamai]

Yes but my point is that by the next election they will have taken effect, and they will be judged upon their actual impact, not the advertising campaigns.

How are you going to judge? How do you measure social capital? These changes, in general, will be good for the economy. But the economy is not the one and only measure of how good the country is running.

Yes but my point is that by the next election they will have taken effect, and they will be judged upon their actual impact, not the advertising campaigns.

The government has put its advertising out there too. Perhaps just as misleading as the union ads simply by virtue of what it leaves out.