Combo of rankings needed to get a 99+ ATAR? (1 Viewer)

[terushi]

Hopefully this is an interesting enough question.

Say, for example, that a person holds a combination of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th rankings in each of their subjects (10 units). In what circumstance would a student with a combo of these rankings be able to achieve an atar of 99 or above?

A further example:
A student does 3u Maths, 3u English and 2 sciences. With the assumption that each class is 20 people, and that 1st, 2nd and 3rd position each achieved a result in Band 6, would at least a position of 3rd in each subject equate to an atar of 99+?

To generalise the question, is it assumed that each person with an atar of 99.95 achieved at least the 2nd or 3rd rankings in each of their subjects? Or must they achieve 1st in each subject to be able to truly get this high of an atar?

 

[jazz519]

Getting all band 6s doesn't automatically mean you will get a 99 atar. Often to get 99+ atar you need to at least get one or two mid to high band 6 results even if you are doing all the high scaling subjects like sciences and extension maths.

Also, you can't just rely on rankings for a 99 ATAR, because you have to perform in the external HSC exam which makes up 50% of your overall mark i.e. you could be first and get a 95 assessment mark but if you screw up the exam and get a 85 exam mark, you overall only get 90, while someone in 2nd or 3rd maybe has a lower assessment mark of 93, but performed better in the external exam with a 95, so they would get 94 overall, which is better than what the first ranked got.

Often times though if you are in a top 30 school you don't even need to be top 5 in your subjects to get 99 ATAR, since a lot of the cohort does well.

But even at an approximately 50th ranked school (mine), we had people who weren't even top 10 in English out of like 35 students who got a 99 ATAR overall, because they did well in the external exam and had high band 6 marks in other subjects.

The more important thing you should be focusing on is the marks those individuals in those ranks are getting, because in some classes you could have 1st and 2nd getting 90s in the school exams, while 3rd is 80.

 

[D94]

Hopefully this is an interesting enough question.

Say, for example, that a person holds a combination of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th rankings in each of their subjects (10 units). In what circumstance would a student with a combo of these rankings be able to achieve an atar of 99 or above?

The circumstance where their marks, not ranks, are sufficiently high enough to obtain 99.95.

A further example:
A student does 3u Maths, 3u English and 2 sciences. With the assumption that each class is 20 people, and that 1st, 2nd and 3rd position each achieved a result in Band 6, would at least a position of 3rd in each subject equate to an atar of 99+?

No.

To generalise the question, is it assumed that each person with an atar of 99.95 achieved at least the 2nd or 3rd rankings in each of their subjects? Or must they achieve 1st in each subject to be able to truly get this high of an atar?

No.
No.

The median ATAR at James Ruse was reportedly 99.15 (at least when I did my HSC). They have about 140 or so who are eligible for the ATAR each year. Clearly not everyone was in the top 3 rankings.

Forget about your rank. It's your understanding of the content and what your final marks are which matter. If you can achieve 95% in a difficult exam, that says more than being 1st or 2nd. A higher rank just means you're better than someone else. But that doesn't say anything about your actual understanding of the content. What good is being 2nd if you're 2nd in a group of students who are historically at the bottom of the state? A good rank will come with good marks. But good marks can be better if it's comparable to the standards of the HSC.

Those at James Ruse have an exceptional understanding of the content and can apply their knowledge in the exam. The student coming 30th, 40th, 50th has a competitively good understanding as the top 5. They might just have a slight off day in the exam or have slightly poorer exam technique. At the end of the day, they are still well above the rest of the state, and can achieve 99+ ATAR.

Read this as well: http://community.boredofstudies.org...ew-school-y11-impact-ranking.html#post7246317