Fight for Islamic state, Aussies told (2 Viewers)

[Indian Princess]

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21132340-2,00.html


January 29, 2007 01:00am

A RADICAL Islamic group yesterday called on all Muslims in Australia to work towards forming a pan-global Islamic state, while NSW and federal politicians traded blows on whether the group should be banned under the anti-terror laws.
More than 450 men and women packed into a reception hall at Lakemba in Sydney's southwest to hear speakers from Hizb ut-Tahrir (Party of Liberation) outline their hopes for a single Islamic state that would overthrow all dictators, invaders and governments in every Muslim country across the globe.
The Khilafah conference was told that "humankind" could only escape destruction under "the divine order of Islam".
A conference declaration issued at the day's end called on all Muslims in Australia to "assume their responsibility for effecting political change in the Muslim world and to manifest universal brotherhood".
The radical agenda of Hizb ut-Tahrir was enough evidence to convince NSW Premier Morris Iemma that the group should be proscribed.
"This is an organisation that is basically saying it wants to declare war on Australia, our values and our people," he said. "And that's why I believe they are just beyond the pale.
"Enough is enough, and it's time for the commonwealth to review this organisation's status and take the lead from other countries and ban them."
But while federal Attorney-General Philip Ruddock confirmed federal police were monitoring the group, he said it could not be banned without solid evidence that it was urging violence - and he challenged the NSW Government to come up with such evidence.
The conference called yesterday for the political destiny of the Muslim world to be in the hands of Muslims only, and for all external interference with their affairs to be rejected.
Addressing the conference, controversial Indonesian cleric and one of the Hizb ut-Tahrir leaders in that country, Ismail Yusanto, said Muslims were now facing a new dawn after a "long dark night".
Dr Yusanto called on "all the sons and daughters of Islam, both domestically and externally" to support the establishment of a Muslim state under the direction of a single religious leader.
"Sacrifice must be encouraged," he said, warning that Western capitalist countries would be sure to attack any emerging Islamic state.
"If the capital of the state falls, then the rest of the nation must be involved in an all-out war against the invader," he said.
"We will call on all of Islam to be ready for a jihad.
"There is no victory and glory without sacrifice and hard work. No pain, no gain. But Islam will be victorious."
NSW Police Minister John Watkins said last night: "I would ask Philip Ruddock to look closely at what this group have said publicly today in the media.
"I don't know why there is not enough evidence for him to take immediate action."
Another speaker, one of Hizb ut-Tahrir's Australian leaders, Ashraf Doureihi, said Muslims should reject capitalism and embrace Islam. "We must make Islam the only reference point of Muslims," Mr Doureihi said, warning that every strata of Muslim society had been infiltrated with non-Muslim ideas.
"The West has been successful in deceiving Muslims. They have become hypnotised by the Western way of life."
However, conference spokesman Washim Doureihi said the work of Hizb ut-Tahrir was not to change the political nature of Australia.
"It is because of Islam and my allegiance to Islam that I am responsible for ensuring to do what I can to protect the safety and security of all peoples in this country and beyond," Mr Doureihi said.
"The overriding imperative, because of my Islam, is to treat all Australians the same, and I will work hard to build a better future for all of mankind."
Mr Doureihi said the organisation's work was directed to the Muslim world "outside Australia - 100 per cent".

Let's see how they are supported and defended with "they are misinterpreted, they are misquoted" by selfstyled peace loving muslims.

 

[dieburndie]

Hey I wonder where this thread is going.

 

[S1M0]

Anyone here just wants to bag out this guy?

But seriously, this group should be banned, it was banned in many european countries, and even middle-eastern countries, so why not here? These guys are a serious threat to our way of life.

 

[cs01001]

What's wrong with these people? Can't they just live in peace like everyone else? The idea of jihad, war, destruction etc from such extremists makes me fucking sick. Go do something constructive. Forming an Islamic superstate across the globe won't happen.

 

[frog12986]

What's wrong with these people? Can't they just live in peace like everyone else? The idea of jihad, war, destruction etc from such extremists makes me fucking sick. Go do something constructive. Forming an Islamic superstate across the globe won't happen.

It is their attempt to compensate for their rather small genitalia.. :rofl:

The group should be banned, and their supporters should face sedition charges. If it were a neo-nazi group preaching the revival of the final solution, or Lebensraum, they would be dealt with immediately. Do we have to wait for something to happen before we address this serious problem?

n.b. Where are the left wing academics now? Certainly not denouncing these fools..

 

[cs01001]

Even if they were banned, they would still continue with their campaign for Islamic state, and incite violence. Outlawing/imprisoning these guys won't make them change their mind. Might be a good idea to strip the leaders or whatever of their Australian citizenship and expel them to their home country if they breached any of the anti-terror laws... again, this contradicts with the idea of freedom of speech. lol

 

[banco55]

I don't think they should be banned but I hope when they meet 2 out of 3 of the meeting particpants is working for ASIO. However involvement with this group should be grounds for deportation for non-citzens and an automatic bar for people applying for citizenship.

 

[cowface]

I think we should ban the Communist Party of Australia first.

 

[bshoc]

I think we should ban the Communist Party of Australia first.

Throw in the socialist alternative and you've got yourself an ally.

 

[cowface]

Throw in the socialist alternative and you've got yourself an ally.

Done.

They're too poor to mount a High Court challenge this time.

 

[HotShot]

Leave the socialist ALONE!

As I see it, I think the aussies are using this group to gain some insider information. Otherwise there is nothing to gain by having this group holding conferences in australia.

especially if other governments banned them thinking they were insignificnat. but obviosuly ASIO thinks they are lot better (maybe they are I dont know) and kept them in to get some insider information.

Or it is method of propaganda used by the government to create negative stereotypes towads Muslims. As I see a lot of muslims wants these guys out, and a lot of people in general want to. But he federal government has other plans

 

[S1M0]

It is their attempt to compensate for their rather small genitalia.. :rofl:

The group should be banned, and their supporters should face sedition charges. If it were a neo-nazi group preaching the revival of the final solution, or Lebensraum, they would be dealt with immediately. Do we have to wait for something to happen before we address this serious problem?

n.b. Where are the left wing academics now? Certainly not denouncing these fools..

This is just as bad. And yeah, its pathethic that the government can't tell them to get lost, I mean, how much more indication do you need that these guys are a serious threat?

 

[S1M0]

OH NO!

Another group of idiots.

Who really gives a fuck? Australians stand by the moral right to freedom of speech.

Idiots have a way of toying tith it. I wish people would just accept that!

Its more serious than that.

Believe me, these guys are gonna be trouble eventually. One way or another.

 

[Indian Princess]

It remind me of some christian pastor charged with hate speech for having seminar on islam/quran in victoria.

Does Australian Law consider's muslim fundamentalist as naturally born stupid and unfit for trial and are allowed to spew out their hatefilled heart in public whereas any christians who speak out against these islamists are ruthlessly dealth with the so called hate crime?

 

[el gwapo]

Aah... this is the non-violent but linked with Al-Qaeda political group. Apparently moderate..well at least moderate in that they haven't set off a bomb yet.

 

[HotShot]

It remind me of some christian pastor charged with hate speech for having seminar on islam/quran in victoria.

Does Australian Law consider's muslim fundamentalist as naturally born stupid and unfit for trial and are allowed to spew out their hatefilled heart in public whereas any christians who speak out against these islamists are ruthlessly dealth with the so called hate crime?

yum there have been a lot christian extremist organistions holding such meetings in the past and present - there have been no problems of yet. Its only when they actually do something does somethin happen, like all that christian pedos etc.

 

[simonloo]

It's all in the interpretation. Some see Islam as a peaceful religion, (and some parts are, I've looked at it), whereas other mistake the information for an excuse to wage war with the west.
Same thing with fundamentalist Christians who use the Bible to reinforce their belief on hating homosexuals/certain races.

 

[HotShot]

It's all in the interpretation. Some see Islam as a peaceful religion, (and some parts are, I've looked at it), whereas other mistake the information for an excuse to wage war with the west.
Same thing with fundamentalist Christians who use the Bible to reinforce their belief on hating homosexuals/certain races.

in the end we all know its the JEWS fault! :rofl:

 

[cheesman]

crazy extremists
islamic superstate? i think not!

 

[Armenikum]

Perhaps NOW you can see Bush's real reason in Iraq?
To think it is only for oil is somewhat ignorant. Can you imagine what the world would be as an Islamic superstate? That is why he is trying to segregate countries - and disarm them(Iran and Nuke Power) - from possible strengthened power. I don't think anyone who likes to live in a free country such as Australia would even WANT to think what would happen if all Muslims came together. Possibly ONE point to good ol' George?

It kinda does suck that they have to bring their bs to Australia as well.