how does the scaling differ from standard to advanced english? (1 Viewer)

[shady145]

hi, ive been told that standard and advanced scale the same, ive also been told that advanced scales better.
Can someone tell me the true story here.
Using SAM, putting advanced and standard the same mark standard goes better.

Ty...

 

[Timothy.Siu]

advanced is definitely better...standard doesn't get many band 6's

 

[kevinx2]

This issue has been raised since 2001. Since it is likely to be raised again, the explanation will be repeated.
HSC marks and scaled marks are different marks. HSC marks are the marks released by the Board to students
and are the result of the standards-setting exercise. Scaled marks are, however, based on raw HSC marks.
 In 2 unit English all students complete a common paper (Paper 1) which counts for 40% of the total
mark. Standard and Advanced students then complete separate papers that count for 60% of the
total mark.
 The Board then uses Paper 1 to place the marks of the separate Standard and Advanced papers on the
same scale so that a total (raw) examination mark can be calculated for 2 unit English. The marks for
Standard and Advanced students are deemed to be on the same scale.
 The Board moderates school assessments using these raw examination marks.
 The raw HSC mark which is used for scaling is then calculated.
 The raw HSC marks for the Standard and Advanced English students are combined, and scaled as a
single course. A raw HSC mark yields the same scaled mark for Standard and Advanced students.
The Board aligns the raw examination marks against standards separately for Standard and Advanced
students. As a result, Advanced students on a given raw mark receive a higher aligned mark than
Standard students on the same raw mark. Consequently an aligned HSC mark corresponds to
different scaled marks for Standard and Advanced students. This gives the appearance that Advanced
students have been disadvantaged, but this is not true.
If Table A3 in the Appendix showed the correspondence between raw HSC marks and scaled marks rather
than between HSC marks and scaled marks, it would be clear that Advanced students are not
disadvantaged in the scaling process.

UAC Scaling Report

 

[Rhanoct]

esl ftw

 

[kevinx2]

esl ftw

English Beginners.

 

[Rhanoct]

what

 

[wantingtoknow]

I'm not sure about the scaling bit but to get a band 6 in standard, you have to achieve top marks or near. So I would say advanced > standard

 

[kevinx2]

what

English Continuers?

 

[kevinx2]

I'm not sure about the scaling bit but to get a band 6 in standard, you have to achieve top marks or near. So I would say advanced > standard

Less than 1% get Band 6 in English Standard.

 

[mrpet3rr]

i've heard that a band 4 in standard scales better than a band 4 in adv?
any can confirm this?

 

[dp624]

Actually, I tihnk for equivalent ALIGNED marks in Std and Adv the standard SCALING is better. It's just so much harder to get such an ALIGNED std mark.

(see, 2007 A3-> 42 in std goes to 37.5, 42.5 in adv goes to 37.7 = equivalent)
but also 47 in std -> 47.2 but 47.5 in adv -> 47)

 

[kevinx2]

i've heard that a band 4 in standard scales better than a band 4 in adv?
any can confirm this?

A 77 HSC Mark in EngAdv has a scaled mean of 58.5 whilst a 77 HSC Mark in EngStd has a scaled mean of 61.9.

But way less people get it. EngAdv would have you in the 60% percentile of the state as opposed to the 7.4% of EngStd.

Statistics based on 2005 scaling.

 

[lyounamu]

scaling is same for both.

it's not much harder to get english standard. It's just that people who do stadnard don't seem to get to the level that advanced people get.

basically AoS acts as a measuring stick that puts everyone doin advanced and stadnard on the same scale and the modules are adjusted to that. So it's a fair system imho.

Then why do advanced? there are many reasons:

• some people want to do english extension
• some people may need advanced english for their university courses
• they may not want the stigma attached with english stadarad
• they may actually be interested in the texts explored in english advanced
• other 100+ reasons or so including better school teachers at a particular school for english advanced as to english standard
• better class or whatever because people in advanced are supposedly smarter and hence nerdier...etc

 

[Zephyrio]

Do you do advanced, Namu?

 

[lyounamu]

Do you do advanced, Namu?

No, I don't. I was initially doing it but from the first term, however, with my study coordinator's and teacher's advice, I dropped to English (Standard).

 

[friction]

I was advised at the end of yr 11 to drop to Standard english and i ended up coming 10th out of 74 so i proved that teacher wrong.

 

[lyounamu]

I was advised at the end of yr 11 to drop to Standard english and i ended up coming 10th out of 74 so i proved that teacher wrong.

I understand that teachers can be wrong. My mark in terms of AoS was top 6 including English (Advanced), English Extension 1 and English Extension 2 students out of 130+ students who do AoS.

I dropped to English (Standard) at the start of Year 11 anyway. I was actually offered a chance to move up to English (Advanced) but I am choosing not to.