Medicine at Macquarie? (1 Viewer)

[Tiffanys]

Is Macquarie ever going to start a Medicine program? PLEAAAAASE START ONE! By 2009!

 

[jb_nc]

no

do they even offer biological science programmes

 

[AsyLum]

http://www.medicine.mq.edu.au/

And yes they offer bio sciences.

 

[Tiffanys]

Thanks, but ummm...i havent already got an undergrad unfortunately....
DAMN.

 

[xeuyrawp]

I think it'll happen soon (next 5 years).

Then again, you'd hope that they'd offer grad law soon, but that will never happen...

 

[lcf]

I noticed they like 'teachjng' - just to be random, I emailed the new Dean to tell him - buwhahaha holiday randomness:

http://www.medicine.mq.edu.au/perspective.html

The Australian School of Advanced Medicine is modelled on the Mayo Clinic principle of excellence in health care, combining clinical practice and teachjng with research.

 

[xeuyrawp]

I noticed they like 'teachjng' - just to be random, I emailed the new Dean to tell him - buwhahaha holiday randomness:

http://www.medicine.mq.edu.au/perspective.html

Your sig is old! Laptop lounge anyone?!

 

[lcf]

Your sig is old! Laptop lounge anyone?!

It's vintage!

 

[xeuyrawp]

It's vintage!

Nah, that building is vintage; your sig is old.

 

[xeuyrawp]

Didn't they announce that they'd be doing specialist training and not undergrad?

EDIT: Looking at that link... "sub-specialty"; that seems pretty far away from a general undergrad program to me.

Yeah... I think that's pretty much what's been said in the thread so far?

I still think that they'll branch out into UG soon.

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

i doubt it..
not financial viable at most unis.. nor is the accreditation easy..

the Govt hasnt pledged them any health budget monies.. and UWS and UoW just opened one each..

the AMA/salaried medical officers association/other doctors lobby groups are not keen on more UG places.. unless we get guaranteed PG places..

rural unis are more likely to get medical schools than metro unis..and frankly macq need to be stronger on medical sciences than Macq currently is..

if anything they will have full fee places.. not CSP ones.. but wait and see... the way i see it.. its not in the next 10 yrs tho..

 

[GoodToGo]

Then again, you'd hope that they'd offer grad law soon, but that will never happen...

The uni does offer the LLB for graduates, but only part-time external.

As for post-grad law, it'd be a terrible move for a second tier law school like MQ to offer a JD in the forseeable future. I think Melbourne and Bond are the only a uni's to offer it, and only Melbourne offer it at the exclusion of the LLB. I'm sure Sydney or UNSW will be next.

 

[xeuyrawp]

As for post-grad law, it'd be a terrible move for a second tier law school like MQ to offer a JD in the forseeable future.

Er... Do you actually understand what a JD is?

I'm not saying that MQ should offer a JD, I'm saying they should offer a proper grad degree, like most other unis in Sydney.

I don't think you know what a JD is: In the US, it's essentially grad law; the only real way to become a lawyer in most of the bigger US states. Here, it's the equivalent of a grad LLB. Only a few unis offer it, but it's exactly the same as a grad LLB, only that there is no UG equiv.

Either you have nfi what it is, or you've misread what I said: I'm saying that MQ's lack of offering grad law is a reflection on how shit the division is. Then again, I think most people knew that already.

I think Melbourne and Bond are the only a uni's to offer it, and only Melbourne offer it at the exclusion of the LLB.

That's because they're trying to be like the US.

I'm sure Sydney or UNSW will be next.

:rofl: I really, really, really, really doubt that USyd or UNSW are going to cut out law UG law, mate... If they wanted to, do you think there would be a push in the opposite direction; namely a single LLB degree available for school leavers (like UTS)?

 

[GoodToGo]

You seem to be very opinionated in this area. Are you a law student?

For the record, I know what a JD is and how law degrees work in the US. I have family who are lawyers in America: the 4 years undegrad, 3 years JD, $160 000 staring salary, yada yada.

Do you know what a graduate law degre is? When someone says GRAD LAW, it means an LLB after completing a first degree (as is the case with a good chunk of the USYD cohort) or JD. This terminology is used so as to differentiate it with POST-GRAD LAW (i.e. LLM, etc). The term is used all the time. Go here if you don't believe me: http://www.law.usyd.edu.au/fstudent/undergrad/ And yes, we have this at MQ (though it has to be done part-time).

So either you have NFI what you're talking about or you meant to say post-grad.

I'm saying they should offer a proper grad degree, like most other unis in Sydney.

Agreed (if you mean post-grad law). MQ does post-grad degrees focused on specialty areas, namely environment. But yes, it is by no means 'proper'.

I really, really, really, really doubt that USyd or UNSW are going to cut out law UG law, mate... If they wanted to, do you think there would be a push in the opposite direction; namely a single LLB degree available for school leavers (like UTS)?

Personally, I think it's only a matter of time before popular professional degrees, such as law, head down the graduate route (especially after the first lot of Melbourne JD students enter the workforce). It might not even be in the next 10 years, but USYD and UNSW would be the most likely law schools in Australia to make the switch out of the all the unis.

 

[RogueAcademic]

I think Melbourne and Bond are the only a uni's to offer it

Monash University also offers the JD.

 

[xeuyrawp]

You seem to be very opinionated in this area. Are you a law student?

No. Does that matter, though? Maybe if I had relatives who were earning blah blah blah {typical wannabe MQ law snobbery} my opinion would matter? :rofl:

Maybe you should actually be in a sought-after place at uni before you act like a snob?

(blah blah typical MQ law student wanking bullshit)

So either you have NFI what you're talking about or you meant to say post-grad.

No, I generally mean what I say: Macquarie has post grad law! MQ hasn't got a proper grad law -- how many times do I have to say it?! They have a really really shit external part-time degree. Hence, not a proper grad degree, k? The fact that they cbf organising a grad degree is pretty indicative. Then again, the shit UG degrees are pretty indicative of it, too...

Because you seem to need help:

1. As far as I'm aware (and according to the website), MQ has PG law. The wide selection of LLMs, combined degrees, and specialisation would definitely qualify as a proper selection of PG degrees,
2. as far as I'm aware (and according to the website), MQ hasn't got proper grad law. Having a 'distance' program, part time, which's website doesn't even work would not qualify as a proper, full-time grad degree.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that we have such a degree; police especially who want to be qualified for prosecution in local courts, apparently, find it very appealing. Then there's the massive external population of students who have no access to a uni.

My point, however, is that having a local, full-time grad degree would be great. But it won't happen.

Personally, I think it's only a matter of time before popular professional degrees, such as law, head down the graduate route (especially after the first lot of Melbourne JD students enter the workforce). It might not even be in the next 10 years, but USYD and UNSW would be the most likely law schools in Australia to make the switch out of the all the unis.

Nah. Otherwise there wouldn't be a big push in the Sydney unis (like has been sucessful in UTS) to have a single UG law degree.

 

[GoodToGo]

No. Does that matter, though? Maybe if I had relatives who were earning blah blah blah {typical wannabe MQ law snobbery} my opinion would matter? :rofl:

Haha, chill dude. I was just asking as it sounded like you may have been a student from your post but I didn't recall you posting too much on law before. Apparently merely mentioning a starting salary as the next step upon completion of 7 years of college in America equates to "typical wannabe MQ law snobbery". Personally, I don't intend to enter private practice (and that's the same for at least half mq law grads).

I too would like to see graduate law eventually introduced at Macquarie, but I don't think it'll happen in the forseeable future.

For those that aren't interested/can't get into grad law (I think only usyd and uws offer it in Sydney, though there could be more), LPAB is an option www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/lpab It is, however, expensive and rather difficult from all accounts.

 

[Cyan_phoeniX]

So, hey, apparently they are starting medicing at macquarie? *points to thread topic*

 

[KFunk]

Those postgrad macquarie medicine programs are quite curious. I'm not quite sure what their use is:

This program is for surgeons who have a specialist qualification as a surgeon who wish to acquire a university qualification which signals mastery of additional skills and competencies in a sub-specialty.

It looks a lot like a way to score large amounts of cash from people who want a few more letters after their name. I'm suprised that they couldn't just learn advanced surgical skills on the job (as is already done) - isn't it enough to be a fellow of the royal australasian college of surgeons? I really hope that it doesn't catch on.

 

[xeuyrawp]

So, hey, apparently they are starting medicing at macquarie? *points to thread topic*

Haha, honours student with no time.

Nah, no med. Just the PG specialist neuro stuff.

Those postgrad macquarie medicine programs are quite curious. I'm not quite sure what their use is:



It looks a lot like a way to score large amounts of cash from people who want a few more letters after their name. I'm suprised that they couldn't just learn advanced surgical skills on the job (as is already done) - isn't it enough to be a fellow of the royal australasian college of surgeons? I really hope that it doesn't catch on.

Apparently it's quite common for surgeons in this area to go overseas? Apparently there's a need for it. This is according to an MQ PR article, so it may be biased.