Question about internal marks (1 Viewer)

[Nooblet94]

I'm first in MX2 and there's a fairly big gap to second place (~10%). If I manage to keep this gap, what happens if I don't do as well as I should in my external exam? Will I get the highest mark as my internal mark and then everyone elses internals drop down to accomodate how far ahead I am ahead of everyone else? Because that doesn't seem remotely fair on them.

 

[D94]

I'm first in MX2 and there's a fairly big gap to second place (~10%). If I manage to keep this gap, what happens if I don't do as well as I should in my external exam? Will I get the highest mark as my internal mark and then everyone elses internals drop down to accomodate how far ahead I am ahead of everyone else? Because that doesn't seem remotely fair on them.

No.

If you are first, you will receive the highest exam mark for your assessment mark. Student's moderated assessment marks are determined by the highest/lowest exam marks (ex. outliers) and are determined by how much they deviate from each other, ie. their relative gaps. Nothing is dropped to accommodate for your poor performance; it just means the range of marks could have been higher, but this is an unfortunate case which happens numerous times.

 

[Nooblet94]

No.

If you are first, you will receive the highest exam mark for your assessment mark. Student's moderated assessment marks are determined by the highest/lowest exam marks (ex. outliers) and are determined by how much they deviate from each other, ie. their relative gaps. Nothing is dropped to accommodate for your poor performance; it just means the range of marks could have been higher, but this is an unfortunate case which happens numerous times.

I could be wrong, but I thought other students internal marks were moderated according to not only their ranks, but the gaps between the ranks, which (if i'm not mistaken) would result in everyone else having a lower mark than they deserve because of the high internal range and low external range.

 

[D94]

I could be wrong, but I thought other students internal marks were moderated according to not only their ranks, but the gaps between the ranks, which (if i'm not mistaken) would result in everyone else having a lower mark than they deserve because of the high internal range and low external range.

The first part is true and is what I said, but the second part is a bit misguided. The internal marks are moderated by using the highest/lowest exam marks, irrespective of who gets them. So even if you get the 5th highest exam mark, the highest exam mark is still used, as well as the lowest exam mark.

What do you mean by "deserve"? Your exam mark is the mark you deserve, so if your assessment mark is the same, then that's the most deserving mark. If your assessment mark is higher, then you haven't performed well enough. If your assessment mark is lower, then you have done better than what your rank reflects.

You get moderated by the gaps between raw internal assessment marks, not the HSC exam marks.

 

[Nooblet94]

The first part is true and is what I said, but the second part is a bit misguided. The internal marks are moderated by using the highest/lowest exam marks, irrespective of who gets them. So even if you get the 5th highest exam mark, the highest exam mark is still used, as well as the lowest exam mark.

What do you mean by "deserve"? Your exam mark is the mark you deserve, so if your assessment mark is the same, then that's the most deserving mark. If your assessment mark is higher, then you haven't performed well enough. If your assessment mark is lower, then you have done better than what your rank reflects.

You get moderated by the gaps between raw internal assessment marks, not the HSC exam marks.

Let's say I end up with 90% from my school assessments, the next highest mark is 80% and the lowest mark is 50%. We sit the HSC exam, I don't do as well as I should and the highest mark achieved by someone at my school is 95 and the lowest is 75. I'm going to get an internal mark of 95, the person that came last is going to get an internal mark of 75 and the person that came second is going to get an internal mark somewhere around 85. Correct?

Now, if instead of beating everyone by 10% I get 81%, second gets 80% and last gets 50% and the marks again range from 95 to 75 with everyone getting the same marks as they did in the above example. I'm going to get an external mark of 95, the person in second's going to get ~94 and the person who came last is going to get 75. Clearly, the marks for people that came near the top are much higher in this example than the previous one and are much closer to what they scored in the external exam, with the only thing that's changed being my performance in school assessment tasks.

In essence, what I'm asking is whether or not outliers in the school marks are taken into account when calculating the actual internal marks.

EDIT: The reason I'm asking is that I'd feel really bad if I smash school assessment tasks, bomb the HSC and end up screwing everyone else over because of it.

 

[enoilgam]

Let's say I end up with 90% from my school assessments, the next highest mark is 80% and the lowest mark is 50%. We sit the HSC exam, I don't do as well as I should and the highest mark achieved by someone at my school is 95 and the lowest is 75. I'm going to get an internal mark of 95, the person that came last is going to get an internal mark of 75 and the person that came second is going to get an internal mark somewhere around 85. Correct?

Now, if instead of beating everyone by 10% I get 81%, second gets 80% and last gets 50% and the marks again range from 95 to 75 with everyone getting the same marks as they did in the above example. I'm going to get an external mark of 95, the person in second's going to get ~94 and the person who came last is going to get 75. Clearly, the marks for people that came near the top are much higher in this example than the previous one and are much closer to what they scored in the external exam, with the only thing that's changed being my performance in school assessment tasks.

In essence, what I'm asking is whether or not outliers in the school marks are taken into account when calculating the actual internal marks.

EDIT: The reason I'm asking is that I'd feel really bad if I smash school assessment tasks, bomb the HSC and end up screwing everyone else over because of it.

To be honest, these kinds of "what happens if..." questions/scenarios are so difficult to answer because there are just to many variables to consider. This sort of stuff you cant control - so focus on the stuff you can control. Just put in your best effort and all this scaling/aligning/moderation and what have you will sort itself out.

 

[Nooblet94]

hmm okay.

 

[asianese]

To be honest, these kinds of "what happens if..." questions/scenarios are so difficult to answer because there are just to many variables to consider. This sort of stuff you cant control - so focus on the stuff you can control. Just put in your best effort and all this scaling/aligning/moderation and what have you will sort itself out.

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