Raise the Speed Limit to Reduce Road Toll: Mark Skaife (2 Viewers)

[timw7845]

On the show Sunday Night, Mark Skaife raised the idea of modelling the German system and raising the speed limits..

He also raised that the Germans make their learners learn how to drive at high speeds on the autobarn at speeds of like 160 km/h.

He says there are roads that are capable of higher speeds, that are not being used correctly

Would this make a difference or just raise the road toll?

 

[ClockworkSoldier]

I could swear there's a thread with this very topic already on the boards, but I can't find it.

 

[timw7845]

from like 3 years ago?

well its been brought up again.. so run with this one

 

[zombie omie jay]

no
skaife isnt an engineer
germany has VERY different transport dynamics to us

leave to speed zoning to engineers mr racing car driver

 

[17028354]

increase the quality of the roads first

 

[ClockworkSoldier]

from like 3 years ago?

well its been brought up again.. so run with this one

From about 6 months ago. Zombie Omie Jay was in on it too.

 

[zombie omie jay]

exactly
also
impossible
population density etc

also australian weather makes it hard lol bituminous seals only work in certain temp ranges
-5 to 45 temp ranges out here deteriorates seals quickly

also travel distances makes it silly. faster speeds to not reduce fatigue as much as you would think and in some circumstances increases it due to more concentration required at higher speeds

 

[xMaNx]

we need better roads imo

 

[loquasagacious]

I think there is a case for rezoning some of the national highways. But by and large suburban and urban speed limits are pretty close to the mark. Skaife also touches on driver training which is something we definitely could do better.

 

[zombie omie jay]

what do you guys mean by better roads

its not a matter of "better" roads lol fatigue and stuff are big factors

towns are 1hr apart in aus compared to 10mins apart in germany

 

[Kim Il-Sung]

The NT used to have derestricted highways, I'm pretty sure a lot of them were single lane too

Then the gvt decided to implement a 130 km/h speed limit - and the road toll on those highways went way UP

so what the fucks going on there

 

[zombie omie jay]

get some stats for us bro this needs to be analysed

 

[aussie-boy]

7 pages worth of debate here, from 3 months ago:

http://community.boredofstudies.org/214/news-current-affairs-politics/242275/plater-clocked-insane-speed.html

I don't know if limits should be raised, but I think cops should take a more progressive approach to road safety.

Eg:
-Contextual speeding, where you only get booked if you're going significantly faster than cars around you and thus are driving dangerously
-Proper enforcement of the "keep left when overtaking" law... undertaking is probably the greatest hazard on our motorways

The ACT is pretty good with speeding, drive up to 124km/h and only get 1 point (even for P-platers)

 

[Richard Gilmore]

to be fair to Skaife, this was one of many proposals that he had. I think that taking one proposal out of context, as you just did, is unfair to the man.

 

[Kim Il-Sung]

get some stats for us bro this needs to be analysed

ok

In 2006, the year the 130km/h limit was introduced, 44 people died on NT roads. In 2007 57 were killed in road accidents, and in 2008 a total of 75 motorists perished.

Northern Territory Opposition Wants 130km/h Limit Removed On Stuart, Victoria and Barkly Highways | Reviews | Prices | Australian specifications

i would be interested to see whether those deaths were in urban or highway conditions but still, the trend prior to introduction of the speed limits was a declining road toll, not an increasing one

drive blog: NT road toll up despite speed limits

cf graph in this article

edit: plus what about roads like the M1 in queensland - 8 lanes, well engineered w/ 110k limit?

 

[badquinton304]

we need better roads imo

The amount of road that each person needs to pay to maintain is far greater in Australia than many other countries.

 

[Optimus Prime]

ok



Northern Territory Opposition Wants 130km/h Limit Removed On Stuart, Victoria and Barkly Highways | Reviews | Prices | Australian specifications

i would be interested to see whether those deaths were in urban or highway conditions but still, the trend prior to introduction of the speed limits was a declining road toll, not an increasing one

drive blog: NT road toll up despite speed limits

cf graph in this article

edit: plus what about roads like the M1 in queensland - 8 lanes, well engineered w/ 110k limit?

2 years is statistically insignificant, especially if the one before it was raised just happened to be a good year

 

[SylviaB]

The Privatization of Roads and Highways - Walter Block

 

[jb_nc]

On the show Sunday Night, Mark Skaife raised the idea of modelling the German system and raising the speed limits..

He also raised that the Germans make their learners learn how to drive at high speeds on the autobarn at speeds of like 160 km/h.

He says there are roads that are capable of higher speeds, that are not being used correctly

Would this make a difference or just raise the road toll?

autobarn

http://www.autobarn.com.au/

 

[Shane_]

better driver training would make a lot more difference than keeping a low speed limit.

This zombie guy makes a point when he mentions the temp range, I've seen roads here so hot that they've quite literally melted. that can't be good for their long term condition