Should I drop to English standard? (1 Viewer)

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I have been contemplating this for the past few weeks and Idk if I should drop and when exactly would be the right time to drop. First of all I am not looking for a super high atar. Just 70-75 should be fine so scaling shouldn’t be too big of a deal. But just for context on the last exam I got 50% and I got ranked in the bottom 30% of my cohort. And my next exam is at the end of this week and I don’t think my marks are gonna improve because I have been getting a C- on all the practice tasks I’ve done on this mod.

Pros of dropping:
- My mental health has been suffering and ny self esteem has been getting destroyed recently.
- Hopefully by dropping I will feel more confident and I won’t have to deal with the harsh, high pressure environment adv is
- My marks might improve and maybe I will actually enjoy English more
- maybe I will have more time for other subjects. But it depends how helpful the teacher I get is

Cons:
- I’m really unsure because what if I just try harder and maybe my marks will improve but idk if my mental health will allow me to do so
- what if I still do mid in std and I still suffer from the low self esteem I’ve been battling with
- what if I regret it and realise I could have stayed in adv. I mean I did get recommended for this subject so maybe I am capable of it, but based on how I’ve been doing, I don’t know
- if they still mark harsh my marks might not be that much better
- what if my teacher is worse and I have no friends in my class


But honestly even if I do decent on the next exam idk if I want to stay in adv especially with how much trauma it’s given me. But idk maybe I will in the future. But also I might also suffer from this same struggle in std so idk

 

[99.95dreams]

DON'T DROP (now).
1. standard scaling is REALLY bad. you need to be getting HIGH 90s to be able to actually do well in it.
2. just take a look at the past papers, they are virtually the same as advanced (with different texts tho). but in terms of difficulty of papers, you'd be facing about the same sort of questions.
3. you are still in year 11. you have plenty of time to ask for advice, find a good tutor, get some peer support before making a decision.

the bottom line is, if you need to drop in year 12, then do so. but i think it is worth it to give it another shot now that you are still in your preliminary year. you got this!

 

[bruhmoment.]

I have been contemplating this for the past few weeks and Idk if I should drop and when exactly would be the right time to drop. First of all I am not looking for a super high atar. Just 70-75 should be fine so scaling shouldn’t be too big of a deal. But just for context on the last exam I got 50% and I got ranked in the bottom 30% of my cohort. And my next exam is at the end of this week and I don’t think my marks are gonna improve because I have been getting a C- on all the practice tasks I’ve done on this mod.

Pros of dropping:
- My mental health has been suffering and ny self esteem has been getting destroyed recently.
- Hopefully by dropping I will feel more confident and I won’t have to deal with the harsh, high pressure environment adv is
- My marks might improve and maybe I will actually enjoy English more
- maybe I will have more time for other subjects. But it depends how helpful the teacher I get is

Cons:
- I’m really unsure because what if I just try harder and maybe my marks will improve but idk if my mental health will allow me to do so
- what if I still do mid in std and I still suffer from the low self esteem I’ve been battling with
- what if I regret it and realise I could have stayed in adv. I mean I did get recommended for this subject so maybe I am capable of it, but based on how I’ve been doing, I don’t know
- if they still mark harsh my marks might not be that much better
- what if my teacher is worse and I have no friends in my class


But honestly even if I do decent on the next exam idk if I want to stay in adv especially with how much trauma it’s given me. But idk maybe I will in the future. But also I might also suffer from this same struggle in std so idk

short answer is no, u shouldn't drop. however it entirely depends on your school's ranking and more specifically how well ur school is at english. also, how is ur english faculty? harsh markers or are loads of people getting 20s?

for context, i was almost on the verge of dropping to english standard after prelims (i did dogshit throughout yr 11). but i didn't purely because my english teacher showed me what marks students have gotten in the previous years and how well advanced has aligned for them wherein they were getting 50s and 60s in school assessment tasks, yet they ended english advanced with a final mark in the 80s. and thats exactly what happened for me. throughout year 12, i kept advanced, and legit the highest mark for an essay including trials i ever got was 15/20 lmao. i was always around that 60-70% range and throughout year 12, it did sorta fuck me with motivation and shit cause in other subjects i was doing well, but with eng no matter how hard i tried i always did ass. in the end before hsc, my rank was ass, like 65/120 kids or smth like that, but in the end, my final mark for english advanced was 87. in the hsc results, it said my internal mark was 85 and tbf i did do good in hsc (got a 89, but still u get the point. from getting 60-70s in internals and having a rank of 65, i still ended up with a final internal mark of 85, which i still cant believe how i pulled that lmao. but in conclusion, DO not drop to standard.

 

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short answer is no, u shouldn't drop. however it entirely depends on your school's ranking and more specifically how well ur school is at english. also, how is ur english faculty? harsh markers or are loads of people getting 20s?

for context, i was almost on the verge of dropping to english standard after prelims (i did dogshit throughout yr 11). but i didn't purely because my english teacher showed me what marks students have gotten in the previous years and how well advanced has aligned for them wherein they were getting 50s and 60s in school assessment tasks, yet they ended english advanced with a final mark in the 80s. and thats exactly what happened for me. throughout year 12, i kept advanced, and legit the highest mark for an essay including trials i ever got was 15/20 lmao. i was always around that 60-70% range and throughout year 12, it did sorta fuck me with motivation and shit cause in other subjects i was doing well, but with eng no matter how hard i tried i always did ass. in the end before hsc, my rank was ass, like 65/120 kids or smth like that, but in the end, my final mark for english advanced was 87. in the hsc results, it said my internal mark was 85 and tbf i did do good in hsc (got a 89, but still u get the point. from getting 60-70s in internals and having a rank of 65, i still ended up with a final internal mark of 85, which i still cant believe how i pulled that lmao. but in conclusion, DO not drop to standard.

Yeah but the thing is everyone is doing trash but I'm doing worse and my school kinda marks harsh but still even then we only got 1 band 6 in English last year. In the past there’s been much more. But I just need the strength and confidence to push through tho because my confidence is basically non existent and idk how I’m gonna do my exam next week without completely crashing out. But also my teachers have been telling us that they use this assessment to see whether or not adv is the right course for us and I just feel like I may as well drop now so that I don’t have to have my teacher tell me to drop

 

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I just have been feeling really demotivated and depressed especially the past few days and idk how long I can take it. It’s just draining me so much and I literally cried the whole weekend about it

 

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short answer is no, u shouldn't drop. however it entirely depends on your school's ranking and more specifically how well ur school is at english. also, how is ur english faculty? harsh markers or are loads of people getting 20s?

for context, i was almost on the verge of dropping to english standard after prelims (i did dogshit throughout yr 11). but i didn't purely because my english teacher showed me what marks students have gotten in the previous years and how well advanced has aligned for them wherein they were getting 50s and 60s in school assessment tasks, yet they ended english advanced with a final mark in the 80s. and thats exactly what happened for me. throughout year 12, i kept advanced, and legit the highest mark for an essay including trials i ever got was 15/20 lmao. i was always around that 60-70% range and throughout year 12, it did sorta fuck me with motivation and shit cause in other subjects i was doing well, but with eng no matter how hard i tried i always did ass. in the end before hsc, my rank was ass, like 65/120 kids or smth like that, but in the end, my final mark for english advanced was 87. in the hsc results, it said my internal mark was 85 and tbf i did do good in hsc (got a 89, but still u get the point. from getting 60-70s in internals and having a rank of 65, i still ended up with a final internal mark of 85, which i still cant believe how i pulled that lmao. but in conclusion, DO not drop to standard.

Should I still talk to my teacher about it?

 

[Hehehe22]

Should I still talk to my teacher about it?

If your teacher is helpful, definitely have a conversation about it. I totally get that English can be really draining, but standard might not be the answer either. I'd highly advise you to do a paper-by-paper comparison between Adv and Std, because there isn't that much of a difference. Adv is just slightly more conceptual and abstract, but imo Std also has everything that I personally hate about English (idk abt u though), including the same amount of writing

 

[its_ace21]

as someone who did standard, dont do it

 

[coolcat6778]

as someone who did standard, dont do it

my trial mark and last ranked with advanced,

if ur getting 50-60% rn, thats comfortably a band 5

 

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If your teacher is helpful, definitely have a conversation about it. I totally get that English can be really draining, but standard might not be the answer either. I'd highly advise you to do a paper-by-paper comparison between Adv and Std, because there isn't that much of a difference. Adv is just slightly more conceptual and abstract, but imo Std also has everything that I personally hate about English (idk abt u though), including the same amount of writing

What is the stuff that std has that u hate

 

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as someone who did standard, dont do it

Ok but let’s look at it this way. What if my teacher recommends me to drop if I do bad in the next exam

 

[coolcat6778]

please open both and let the graph speak for it self on why dropping to standard is a very bad idea

https://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/ebos/static/BD5454983.PDF

https://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/ebos/static/BD5454979.PDF

 

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my trial mark and last ranked with advanced,
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if ur getting 50-60% rn, thats comfortably a band 5

Well if that was the case then why did only one person in my school get a band 6. Unless that cohort was so dumb that the highest raw mark was like 70%

 

[Hehehe22]

What is the stuff that std has that u hate

Well I don't do std, but just looking at the paper, you have to write the same number of essays, the SAQs are just as annoying, and thus you have to write as fast as the wind (same as adv). Maybe the questions are slightly easier, but even if you get a mark or two higher, you'll end up worse off

 

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But honestly it’s just the mental health part that is making me what to drop cause I hate how my self esteem is getting destroyed 24/7 which demotivates me and makes me so depressed to the point that I end up doing no work. And my teacher is really strict and the English department doesn’t care about our mental health so it sucks

 

[Hehehe22]

Well if that was the case then why did only one person in my school get a band 6. Unless that cohort was so dumb that the highest raw mark was like 70%

Getting a band 6 isn't that easy, but getting a band 5 is very easy, whereas in std, even a band 5 is a struggle if u hate english

You also have to consider that everyone, even the eng ext 1 and 2 students, do adv. Those people are sweeping a lot of band 6s

 

[its_ace21]

Ok but let’s look at it this way. What if my teacher recommends me to drop if I do bad in the next exam

i actually did adv in yr11 and had to drop in yr12 and adv and std is literally the same thing except with std u do easier texts, get worse scaling and worse cohort

 

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Ok but let’s look at it this way. What if my teacher recommends me to drop if I do bad in the next exam

But honestly if I told these things to my teacher they wouldn’t care cause they don’t believe in scaling and there’s some taboo at my school where they will shun u down for talking about scaling. So if they make me drop then there isn’t much to say to them

 

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i actually did adv in yr11 and had to drop in yr12 and adv and std is literally the same thing except with std u do easier texts, get worse scaling and worse cohort

Why did u drop?

 

[its_ace21]

Why did u drop?

was forced the school only wanted the top ~30 people doing adv