Unis seen as entry factories (2 Viewers)

[iamthebest009]

Unis seen as entry factories

Lisa Macnamara
March 30, 2006

MANY overseas students believe Australian universities are little more than "factories" producing permanent residency visas by offering cheap courses tailored to meet migration requirements.

IT, accounting and engineering courses were among the most popular degrees for Indian students hoping to stay in Australia after their studies, according to new research.


"These factories were considered to be places that had little to do with education and much to do with migration," the study, to be published in the Monash University journal People and Place, says.

Those institutions with the highest quota of Indians were known as "PR factories", where students could gain permanent residency after graduation.

"Even before coming to Australia they will have figured out which courses will provide the easiest way to PR and will base the course they enrol in on this," says the study by a University of Amsterdam PhD student Michiel Baas.

 

[kow_dude]

That is so true. I asked many international students why they have chosen a commerce degree. Every single one of them said that they want to major in accounting, complete CA/CPA in hope for a job and permanant residency.

 

[santaslayer]

link...?

bs artist

 

[iamthebest009]

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,18650105%255E12332,00.html

cheers

 

[p-unit]

Unis seen as entry factories

Lisa Macnamara
March 30, 2006

MANY overseas students believe Australian universities are little more than "factories" producing permanent residency visas by offering cheap courses tailored to meet migration requirements.

IT, accounting and engineering courses were among the most popular degrees for Indian students hoping to stay in Australia after their studies, according to new research.


"These factories were considered to be places that had little to do with education and much to do with migration," the study, to be published in the Monash University journal People and Place, says.

Those institutions with the highest quota of Indians were known as "PR factories", where students could gain permanent residency after graduation.

"Even before coming to Australia they will have figured out which courses will provide the easiest way to PR and will base the course they enrol in on this," says the study by a University of Amsterdam PhD student Michiel Baas.

fuck that shit
uni here is not cheap frist off all
international student pay a lot more
plus no fees support for us

i am an international student and i am paying 22000$ per year only for tuition fees
i also have to spend 15000$ more for living expenses a year
thats for engineering
i came here because i perferd the weather to england and belive the people were better dont prove me worng

 

[iamthebest009]

I know of a lot of students who enrol in an easy uni like uws or macquarie uni and enrol in an easy course like arts just to apply for a PR. Not all international students enrol in Australian universities for this reason of course but there are a lot who do. You cannot deny this.

 

[p-unit]

ya those just dickhead
but dont genralise everyone

 

[phrred]

its true though, i had to do this in an immigration essay.
we r cheaper than American unis
thats why so many azns do accounting

 

[p-unit]

not one hundred percent true
some americen unis are cheaper and if you get into good one over 60% of students get finacial aid
i just didnot go to the us coz i dont like american
i would have cost me 2000$ more which is not to much its just 10%

 

[Xayma]

not one hundred percent true
some americen unis are cheaper and if you get into good one over 60% of students get finacial aid
i just didnot go to the us coz i dont like american
i would have cost me 2000$ more which is not to much its just 10%

Most often require living being a resident of the US if not that state.

Not all international students regard them as such, however, a large number do. It's a major pity if the level of idiocy I see from many international students in group work (whether due to poor english skills or otherwise) continues after graduation for areas like Engineering.

 

[strawberry @-@]

That's not surprising. Most asian countries have it tough going for them, so Aus is like a bludgey dream come true (comparatively).

 

[xeuyrawp]

That's not surprising. Most asian countries have it tough going for them, so Aus is like a bludgey dream come true (comparatively).

If that were true, wouldn't the employers know it? In which case, the prospective employees would know it. In which case, what's the point of coming here?

 

[phrred]

its so hard to get into a good uni in China so they come here where you can walk into good unis like USYD n UNSW. i was looking through this person's foundation studies thing and its not hard to get into commerce even if you cant speak english.
Employers in China will still like Western uni degrees as our education rips theirs. A uni like macquarie would rip most Chinese unis bar Beijing Uni so y not come here where u can go to a top world uni.

 

[p-unit]

its so hard to get into a good uni in China so they come here where you can walk into good unis like USYD n UNSW. i was looking through this person's foundation studies thing and its not hard to get into commerce even if you cant speak english.
Employers in China will still like Western uni degrees as our education rips theirs. A uni like macquarie would rip most Chinese unis bar Beijing Uni so y not come here where u can go to a top world uni.

fuck off you dont know what yur takling about asswipe

 

[kow_dude]

its so hard to get into a good uni in China so they come here where you can walk into good unis like USYD n UNSW. i was looking through this person's foundation studies thing and its not hard to get into commerce even if you cant speak english.
Employers in China will still like Western uni degrees as our education rips theirs. A uni like macquarie would rip most Chinese unis bar Beijing Uni so y not come here where u can go to a top world uni.

I don't think the idea that Australian universities are better than China's is the main drive for international students to study here. It is because most of them want to avoid the fierce job competition in China and so they come here in hope for a job AND permanent residency. After having to speak to numerous international students, they say that they come to Australia for job opportunities NOT how prestigious our universities are.

 

[lala2]

I agree with kow_dude. A lot of parents want their children to avoid the fierce job competition in China, and it just so happens that if you can get a better 'Westernized' education too in the process, then why not? There are so many international students floating around it's not funny.

 

[kow_dude]

There are so many international students floating around it's not funny.

I second that. International students are taking university places and jobs from Australian locals. I find them quite annoying in that they are generally anti-social people (especially asian ones) and that they are unable to perform in group tasks (such as contribution and even come to group meetings).

 

[phrred]

I second that. International students are taking university places and jobs from Australian locals. I find them quite annoying in that they are generally anti-social people (especially asian ones) and that they are unable to perform in group tasks (such as contribution and even come to group meetings).

I agree with the annoying, anti-social and unable to perform tasts properly part

 

[humphreybear]

I second that. International students are taking university places and jobs from Australian locals. I find them quite annoying in that they are generally anti-social people (especially asian ones) and that they are unable to perform in group tasks (such as contribution and even come to group meetings).

ok i'm asian so hopefully people view me as less of a racist for what i'm about to say.

the 2 posters above bagging overseas students were bigoted but have a point, generally. The overseas students (i.e. all asians) at our uni are really lost, and inconsiderate (e.g. coming in late to lectures, and still casually walk around finding seats as if not caring that other people are being distracted). However, a few points:

Firstly, please look up the definition of anti social before you use it. It does not mean they dislike socialising.

Secondly, whilst many are lazy because of being spoilt by their parents or something, a lot of them are unable to communicate effecitively or contribute due to language/cluture issues.This can be blamed on uni's who have lax english entry requirements in order to increase their overseas enrolments.

Thirdly, I fail to see how Australians being able to find jobs is more important than overseas students being able to find jobs. They're all people and require employment. As long as the process is equitable, if overseas students are more competent, why shouldn't they be given the job?

-as for the degree being an entry to the country, anyone who denies that this is a motive for at least a significant proportion of the overseas student population, is deluded.

 

[Demandred]

How else unis are going to get their funding? Increase our HECs and fees? Or maybe get Howard to increase funding ? - when pigs fly!