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When it comes to booze us Aussies like ours sweet, plentiful and cheap.

What drives you to drink? What drives you to drink?

We’re more a nation of wine swillers than beer skollers. And we drink to get drunk at least once a month.

Although we know it’s bad for us, most of us have no idea how many standard drinks are in a bottle of wine.

Sounds ominous, doesn’t it? Also, dangerously ignorant. But that’s where we’re at according to two national alcohol lobbies who are desperately seeking a solution to Australia’s predilection for booze: FARE Australia’s annual survey that identified our national attitudes towards how to much we drink, and the Alcohol Coalition Lobby (ACL), who think that overhauling alcohol taxes to increase the price of cheap wine and cider is the best solution.

According to FARE we, the Australian drinking population, know we’ve got a problem. Sixteen per cent of regular drinkers have been quietly tapped on the shoulder by a friend or relative, concerned for our health. But get us in the bottle shop and we scour for the best deal we can.

That’s why the ACL is recommending a volumetric tax to calculate excise according to alcohol content, to raise the cost of high-strength, high volume drinks and introduce a minimum floor price for alcohol.

The ACL recommendation is based on the on the success of the 2008 tax imposed on alco-pops, which resulted in an estimated drop of seven million drinks a week.

But it didn’t eradicate the drinking problem - we just replaced alco-pops with stacks of cheap wine and cider, with sales increasing at a rate of up to 18 per cent.

It’s clear that if we really want to find a solution to our alcohol issues we’ll need to dig deeper than the price of stock on the shelves. That starts with looking at the reasons why Australians drink.

Young people are often the targets for this kind of analysis. We’re always told how teenagers drink now more than ever before. Perhaps that’s because people are quick to make a correlation between young people and the popularity and increasing sales of cheap booze.

But that’s wrong. Young people are only part of the problem. Furthermore, they’re probably the only group for who drinking a lot should be considered somewhat normal (within reason). The FARE poll shows that while Generation Y and X are more likely to drink overall, it’s the baby boomer generation who drink on a more regular basis; finishing a bottle two or three times a week.

Stress is the biggest trigger for alcohol abuse. And stress affects everyone. From the twenty-something struggling with self-esteem or peer pressure, to the baby boomer facing an ever-longer working life, a retirement that never comes, children who won’t leave home and age-related health concerns.

Stress would also account for the high rates of alcohol violence and domestic abuse. The FARE poll found that 31 per cent of Australians have been affected by alcohol-related violence. It’s not hard to imagine. People drink because they are stressed and that creates angry drunk people with inhibited judgment.

There is no simple solution to helping Australia with its drinking problem. Similarly, we wouldn’t want to fall into the trap of ignoring the good sides of alcohol. After all, for most people, drinking booze is all part of having a good time.

Somewhere in between all of that is the solution. And while it might start with how much we price the stuff on the bottle shop shelves, it comes down to dealing with the stuff going around in our heads, driving us to drink more than we know we should.

http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/what-would-it-take-for-you-to-drink-less/







(yes i know this is from 'The Punch' pls forgive me)
 

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also the answer is if everything tasted like sav blanc or gin (ew)
 

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Fuck.

You can't look at people and say "these people have drinking problems, lets pass laws to get them to stop etc". You can't fucking do that. It doesn't work, it doesn't help, it doesn't give people any responsibility for themselves.

If you want to get people to be more aware of their drinking, get better education programs for young people in schools so they have the information. We can't be taking absolute responsibility for the decisions people make, but we CAN give them the information and education on the subject so they are able to make responsible decisions for themselves.

People will get what they want no matter what. Taxes don't work; upping the price doesn't work. More wealthy people can still afford it, and less wealthy people will buy it anyway and find themselves worse of financially. If people want to drink they will buy alcohol. You can't give them a disincentive to do so. Taxing alcohol consumption is like putting a fine on drinking - and it echoes the prohibition idea. It's not going to stop people drinking, it will just give them another obstacle to get to it. That's why we still have drug problems even though they are illegal. People will pursue what they want no matter what.

We can't say "These people are drinking too much, time to put an end to it". No. People should be able to make their own decisions, no matter how stupid they are. It's not up to us to protect them from themselves. It's up to them. If we want to help them, we need to educate them.

Right now, all we are trying to do is pass legislations and laws to try and make decisions for the people - we give them disincentives to do what we don't like, we pass laws trying to make it not-worthwhile to do these things. That's the mentality of our current government. "If there's something we don't want people doing because it's bad for them, we'll stop it with the law". We try to think for the people instead of letting them think for themselves. I believe that is wrong and unethical, but aside from that, it hasn't worked. It doesn't work. It's been proven ineffective.

Right now, we are not letting people make their own decisions for themselves, because we don't see them as being responsible enough to do so. Well, let's introduce much better education for people, especially in schools, so they have the information to be responsible for their own decisions. Let's tell them the facts so they are eligible to make rational choices for themselves. Because if we don't, then they don't know how to think for themselves, and they don't have the information they need to make responsible decisions for themselves. That way, they have the information, and ignorance truly is no excuse.

And that way, if they do keep drinking excessively, then they are stupid and the onus is on them. We can't be held responsible for stupid things other people do.
 

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I think they should keep raising and raising the price until it's high enough to create a viable black market
 

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i mean people literally drink metho already because a 3 pack of vb longies is too spenno


has taxing anything reduced consumption? alcopops are a poor example. consumption of them only reduced because there were viable alternatives ($28 bottle of vodka and a few 90c bottles of coles brand pine flavoured soft drink. this is the most amazing drink btw, you can easily binge drink the entire bottle it is that good)

will increasing the price of everything reduce its consumption, like it did with cocaine and heroin (wat)
 

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I think they should keep raising and raising the price until it's high enough to create a viable black market
Are you for real?

i mean people literally drink metho already because a 3 pack of vb longies is too spenno

has taxing anything reduced consumption? alcopops are a poor example. consumption of them only reduced because there were viable alternatives ($28 bottle of vodka and a few 90c bottles of coles brand pine flavoured soft drink. this is the most amazing drink btw, you can easily binge drink the entire bottle it is that good)

will increasing the price of everything reduce its consumption, like it did with cocaine and heroin (wat)
This.
 

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has taxing anything reduced consumption? alcopops are a poor example. consumption of them only reduced because there were viable alternatives ($28 bottle of vodka and a few 90c bottles of coles brand pine flavoured soft drink. this is the most amazing drink btw, you can easily binge drink the entire bottle it is that good)
Definitely, from what I remember there's was no decrease in the alcohol consumed, and if anything may have actually increased for the reason you've said.
 

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i mean people literally drink metho already because a 3 pack of vb longies is too spenno


has taxing anything reduced consumption? alcopops are a poor example. consumption of them only reduced because there were viable alternatives ($28 bottle of vodka and a few 90c bottles of coles brand pine flavoured soft drink. this is the most amazing drink btw, you can easily binge drink the entire bottle it is that good)

will increasing the price of everything reduce its consumption, like it did with cocaine and heroin (wat)
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Although, if alcohol did become more spenno i'm pretty sure I would drink less of it. Hrmm.
 

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I mean if cocaine wasn't so damn exe i'd already be sans septum (jk, but srsly, i'd basil zempilas the shit outa that stuff)
 

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plain package alcohol

i feel like a small part of me would die :(

 

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i mean people literally drink metho already because a 3 pack of vb longies is too spenno


has taxing anything reduced consumption? alcopops are a poor example. consumption of them only reduced because there were viable alternatives ($28 bottle of vodka and a few 90c bottles of coles brand pine flavoured soft drink. this is the most amazing drink btw, you can easily binge drink the entire bottle it is that good)

will increasing the price of everything reduce its consumption, like it did with cocaine and heroin (wat)
also a dig at the cabron tax
 

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I already pay a heap of money for booze because I don't really buy beer from stores, I only really drink it off tap. The only alcohol I drink by myself/at home is spenno as whisky so pls don't make it anymore expensive than it is
 

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if alcohol was not able to be mixed with disgusting sugar drinks or leftover apple juice reconstitute shit (cider)
 

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i only drink my grandma's home brewed ginger beer
 

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