Homosexuality in Australia (2 Viewers)

[Iron]

You folks are blinded to the truth. There's no persuading those who already believe in nothing but themselves.
Your fate is sealed


Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold

 

[Lentern]

Oh boy did I miss a lot in the past six hours.

As i said before, I think we are at a crossroads of sorts, just like segregation in the US 30-40 years ago. The traditionalists will oppose the acceptance of homosexuality, the progressives will accept it, with all its bells and whistles. The progressives will inevitably win out, and the traditionalists will follow with their tail behind their legs pretending they agreed all along.

People have no justifiable reason to discriminate against gays. They don't procreate? Oh come on, they make up maybe 10% of the population. And given some of the creatures who give birth on this planet who aren't fit to be parents, maybe less procreation is a good thing. Their intimacy in public is disgusting? I cannot understand how. People are only repulsed for the sake of it.

The only reason gays are derided is because of religion. It does a great job of brainwashing ideological bullshit into spongy child brains from a young age. Venom is nothing more than a victim of circumstance. It must be hard to repress 20 years of hate directed at gays drilled into you every Sunday at church. And even if he is a troll, its not like millions don't share his exact same sentiments.

Well over 200 pages in this thread and still no justifiable reason to so find a fellow human being so abhorrent.

They're just conformist religious folk mainly, most of them don't see anything wrong with it but have this idea of what makes a "propper" Catholic or Sunni or whatever. As for Iron he just likes to think being Catholic is like being part of some special club and normalising it will diminish the specialness.

 

[Iron]

Yeh man, heaven forbid that an ancient religious institution actually stand for something
You dont win friends with salad!

 

[Lentern]

Yeh man, heaven forbid that an ancient religious institution actually stand for something
You dont win friends with salad!

Heaven forbid it stand for what the people actually believe is right. This insane need for the church to be in stark contrast to basic, sensible human values so to create an illusion of grandeur is throttling it. The lord influenced the writers of sacred texts, he didn't control their hands with a remote control, it is possible that they got bits of it wrong Comrade! Furthermore you zeal is undermining the fundamentals of this insitution. Ask the arts community whether they have a problem with the notions of Jesus, love, peacemaking, mercy and compassion, things that Jesus himself preached and I think you'll be pleasently surprised. It is with this suffocating prejudices and these arrogant proclamations of certainty on issues of ambiguity that are destroying the image of the church and undermining what Christ died for.

 

[kokodamonkey]

I'm not against Homosexuals, i am just against Gay Marraige and gay adoption

 

[Kwayera]

I'm not against Homosexuals, i am just against Gay Marraige and gay adoption

Why? Especially the latter?

 

[Ben Netanyahu]

I can understand why people would be against gay marriage (if and only if they think marriage is a religious thing), but not gay adoption.

Defend yourself you nimrod

 

[kokodamonkey]

Why? Especially the latter?

Children are more likely to be abused in family situatons where there is a step father as opposed to a biological father.. the % of likely abuse increases dramatically (statistically).. now imagine a situation where you have 2step fathers and the one child...

 

[whatashotbyseve]

I'm not against Homosexuals, i am just against Gay Marraige and gay adoption

It is not something you can pick and choose. You are either all for it, or all against it. Sitting on the fence is not an option.

 

[Kwayera]

Children are more likely to be abused in family situatons where there is a step father as opposed to a biological father.. the % of likely abuse increases dramatically (statistically).. now imagine a situation where you have 2step fathers and the one child...

Citation pls.

(You are actually correct, but in that situation the stepfathers assume guardianship of children that aren't theirs, retroactively and not necessarily voluntarily - children are usually an adjunct of the persued relationship, with their mother. Adoption by a gay couple is a completely different situation, and there's no evidence to suggest that two males (or two females) as parents aren't as successful as a single parent or, indeed, the nominal nuclear family).

 

[Ben Netanyahu]

Children are more likely to be abused in family situatons where there is a step father as opposed to a biological father.. the % of likely abuse increases dramatically (statistically).. now imagine a situation where you have 2step fathers and the one child...

Couldn't that have something to do with the fact that they...like...didn't raise the child? And the child views the stepdad as an impostor?

Surely if two dad's raise the kid from "birth" and the child knows this, then there wouldn't be a problem.

I reckon.

 

[Kwayera]

Well it's more due to the fact that the stepfather has essentially been cuckolded, biologically. But again, that doesn't usually apply for adoptive situations, due to the social issues attached.

 

[Ben Netanyahu]

I find it funny that biologists acknowledge sociological factors and the like
but
Arts students generally view biological factors with contempt, or don't recognise them at all.

this has relevance to the topic because a lot of arts students are fucking pooftersacks

 

[kokodamonkey]

Citation pls.

(You are actually correct, but in that situation the stepfathers assume guardianship of children that aren't theirs, retroactively and not necessarily voluntarily - children are usually an adjunct of the persued relationship, with their mother. Adoption by a gay couple is a completely different situation, and there's no evidence to suggest that two males (or two females) as parents aren't as successful as a single parent or, indeed, the nominal nuclear family).

Im not saying "they won't be successful" im just saying the risks are significantly increased.

It is not something you can pick and choose. You are either all for it, or all against it. Sitting on the fence is not an option.

They are totally different things. I do not have an issue with Homosexuals living/existing, (one of my best mates is in fact a Homosexual). I just don't think they should be allowed to marry or adopt kids.

 

[Kwayera]

Im not saying "they won't be successful" im just saying the risks are significantly increased.

Okay, so what's the statistics of men harming their adoptive children (and in this context, I mean a child unrelated to both partners)?

 

[whatashotbyseve]

They are totally different things. I do not have an issue with Homosexuals living/existing, (one of my best mates is in fact a Homosexual). I just don't think they should be allowed to marry or adopt kids.

Why? Do you think your best mate would be a bad father? There seems to be this whole stigma attacked to gay males as pedophiles if they adopted children. Lesbian couples seem to be much more accepted.

There will probably be bad gay parents, just as there is bad straight parents. But let's not throw out the baby with the bath water here.

 

[bumblebutt-2991]

Why? Do you think your best mate would be a bad father? There seems to be this whole stigma attacked to gay males as pedophiles if they adopted children. Lesbian couples seem to be much more accepted.

There will probably be bad gay parents, just as there is bad straight parents. But let's not throw out the baby with the bath water here.

i think maybe letting kids grow up with homsexual parents might encourage the kids to turn out that way, but i dont think they'd be bad parents. i accept gays but i dont think it should be encouraged , especially with children because they're very impressionable... and lesbians are pretty much more accepted than homosexual men as a general rule - 1-they dont do stuff men do .. well we dont think of them doing that, unlike what we think of when we think about men.. 2- they'e women - men are statistically more violent etc than women and 3- a lot of ppl get turned on by girl on girl. xD
but yh i can understand them wanting to have children of their own .. maybe godparenting or child-minding.. possibly foster care? do they let homosexuals do foster care??

 

[Iron]

Heaven forbid it stand for what the people actually believe is right. This insane need for the church to be in stark contrast to basic, sensible human values so to create an illusion of grandeur is throttling it. The lord influenced the writers of sacred texts, he didn't control their hands with a remote control, it is possible that they got bits of it wrong Comrade! Furthermore you zeal is undermining the fundamentals of this insitution. Ask the arts community whether they have a problem with the notions of Jesus, love, peacemaking, mercy and compassion, things that Jesus himself preached and I think you'll be pleasently surprised. It is with this suffocating prejudices and these arrogant proclamations of certainty on issues of ambiguity that are destroying the image of the church and undermining what Christ died for.

Lol you confused homosexual.
The Church is different to society. We dont bend our doctrine to conform to opinion polls, or a fool's novice notion of what the bible was meant to say


Also i'm obviously against adoption. If you cant conceive naturally, gtfo. A child isnt a 'luxury' to be ordered online to make your own life more interesting

 

[whatashotbyseve]

i think maybe letting kids grow up with homsexual parents might encourage the kids to turn out that way, but i dont think they'd be bad parents. i accept gays but i dont think it should be encouraged , especially with children because they're very impressionable... and lesbians are pretty much more accepted than homosexual men as a general rule - 1-they dont do stuff men do .. well we dont think of them doing that, unlike what we think of when we think about men.. 2- they'e women - men are statistically more violent etc than women and 3- a lot of ppl get turned on by girl on girl. xD
but yh i can understand them wanting to have children of their own .. maybe godparenting or child-minding.. possibly foster care? do they let homosexuals do foster care??

This assumes that being gay is not something that you are born with and something that you pick up. Assuming that a homosexual has straight parents then they would want to be straight, right? So we cannot assume that because a child has two gay parents they would want to be gay.

 

[Kwayera]

i think maybe letting kids grow up with homsexual parents might encourage the kids to turn out that way, but i dont think they'd be bad parents.

What? Citation please. There is no evidence of that ever occuring - one cannot be influenced to be gay. It's biological.

i accept gays but i dont think it should be encouraged , especially with children because they're very impressionable...

By that same token you should be against religious teaching of children. I hope that is the case.

and lesbians are pretty much more accepted than homosexual men as a general rule - 1-they dont do stuff men do .. well we dont think of them doing that, unlike what we think of when we think about men..

What? If you're talking about anal sex, well, I hate to break it to you, but heterosexual people do that too.

2- they'e women - men are statistically more violent etc than women and 3- a lot of ppl get turned on by girl on girl. xD

How disgustingly sexist of you.

but yh i can understand them wanting to have children of their own .. maybe godparenting or child-minding.. possibly foster care? do they let homosexuals do foster care??

If people can't adopt, generally they're not usually considered suitable for foster care either.