Animal cruelty is the same as racism. (2 Viewers)

[B_B_J]

well I know a guy who prefers to eat dog shit than black man's shit. Does that make him racist?

 

[Uncle]

hey op i kill alligator to eat it tail just because it is so tasty and it is alligator.
why you think we so racest?

how the fuck is calling a negro a negro, a chinck a chinck, a coon a coon comparable to kicking the fuck out of a dog?

Because the OP is probably a failed human-animal hybrid experiment and decides to complain to the internet.

 

[katie tully]

lol wtf, do you think that's comparable? Oh no, a person VOLUNTEERED to do an experiment that went further than expected and then it was cancelled early to avoid harm to the participants. I'm going to cry myself to sleep tonight thinking about those poor people. Meanwhile, animals around the world are being skinned alive for their fur.

If you had read the effects of the study and the psychological outcome it had on the people, you'd see that the point I was making is that we do cruel things to humans as well. What, because the people have misinformed consent it makes it ok?

 

[Uncle]

aw m8 thats some hardcore shit

maybe do a twilight version.
put a slowly gradual zoom to a close up of edward cullen's face for 5 seconds then put that pig kill animation.
upload to youtube as 'omg a spot on edward cullen's face during filming?'

 

[Marmalade.]

maybe do a twilight version.
put a slowly gradual zoom to a close up of edward cullen's face for 5 seconds then put that pig kill animation.
upload to youtube as 'omg a spot on edward cullen's face during filming?'

If you think that footage is amusing, there is something genuinely wrong with you.

 

[katie tully]

maybe do a twilight version.
put a slowly gradual zoom to a close up of edward cullen's face for 5 seconds then put that pig kill animation.
upload to youtube as 'omg a spot on edward cullen's face during filming?'

lol wtf are you talking about

 

[Uncle]

the footage is amusing because it allows second hand experience of the shocking things that occur in our REAL world.
conventional media does not release shocking videos such as beheadings of journalists in the middle east.
very similar to pictures of abortions.
when combined with poor quality literature such as twilight with some video editing, yes it makes an awesome viral video for shock purposes.

example time frame:
1 sec - twilight
2 sec - twilight
3 sec - twilight
4 sec - shock animation of pig beheading
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20 sec - shock animation of pig beheading

 

[dickiie]

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dickiie: way to prove your naivety, eh? Animals still feel pain, they show a psychological awareness of their environment and hold relationships with others. Just cause we're more intellectually evolved does not mean we should therefore have every right to cause harm to other beings, you fucking speciesist. If anything, it means we should be much more aware and conscious of our actions and our sense of compassion. Do you have any pets? If so, how would you feel if the vet COULD painlessly euthanise it but instead painfully electrocuted it and scared it into submission then slit it's throat or shot it straight between the eyes? That's how a lot of abboitoires work, m'dear. Watch the link I posted then I'll listen to you. When you're informed.

I don't condone animal cruelty or treatment of them in such manners. Don't you think it'll be a bit fucked up if the animal was treated like that? Anyone in their right mind and raised up in a loving family shouldn't do such horrific act either. I was raised like a lot of children out there, parents, in a house and with affection displayed by said parents.

In your example, you took it too far. No, I can never be that cold, you thought that I was one of those fucked up in the head people who gleefully tortures a cat film it on video. Let me make myself clear, I do not advocates animal cruelty nor believe in granting them rights. There are line draw across the sand for me.

Cat, scared half to death, proceeds to torture and inflicts much pain. Not okay, the perpetrator/s deserves to be put through the same process and/or severely beaten up by their peers. Perhaps be sent to a psychiatrist as well.

Pigs, locks up in pen, feed in said pens, let out to run around for a bit, locked back in. Taken to slaughter house and made into food so I can consume when I pick up a pack of bacon from Woolies. Perfectly okay. Sure, that pig may be treated with much more care but that will undoubtedly raise the price of bacon which I (or you) find unacceptable. Farm animals are just that, sources of food. It's an industry. No, you cannot call a dog a source of food because they're mankind best friend and been around us for millenias.

Call me hypocritical, naiive or a fucking speciecist but all humans are speciecists at heart whether you like it or not. You'll be a fucking liar if you deny it. I'll grant my fellow men(mankind) rights whether hes black, asian, white or whatever. But a riot will be started if animals are given rights.

Disclaimer: I do not condone animal abuse cases but there are cases which should be exempt such as farm animals e.g. pigs, cows, sheeps.

 

[black_kat_meow]

How can you give exemptions to certain species and not others, that's ridiculous? It's one or the other.

Your statements about dogs being exempt as they are "mankind's best friend" blah blah blah is also laughable.

You can not choose to condone this cruelty in situations where it benefits you, but also be against it where you the consumer are not affected directly. You are disgusting.

 

[settle*precious]

I don't condone animal cruelty or treatment of them in such manners. Don't you think it'll be a bit fucked up if the animal was treated like that? Anyone in their right mind and raised up in a loving family shouldn't do such horrific act either. I was raised like a lot of children out there, parents, in a house and with affection displayed by said parents.

In your example, you took it too far. No, I can never be that cold, you thought that I was one of those fucked up in the head people who gleefully tortures a cat film it on video. Let me make myself clear, I do not advocates animal cruelty nor believe in granting them rights. There are line draw across the sand for me.

Cat, scared half to death, proceeds to torture and inflicts much pain. Not okay, the perpetrator/s deserves to be put through the same process and/or severely beaten up by their peers. Perhaps be sent to a psychiatrist as well.

Pigs, locks up in pen, feed in said pens, let out to run around for a bit, locked back in. Taken to slaughter house and made into food so I can consume when I pick up a pack of bacon from Woolies. Perfectly okay. Sure, that pig may be treated with much more care but that will undoubtedly raise the price of bacon which I (or you) find unacceptable. Farm animals are just that, sources of food. It's an industry. No, you cannot call a dog a source of food because they're mankind best friend and been around us for millenias.

Call me hypocritical, naiive or a fucking speciecist but all humans are speciecists at heart whether you like it or not. You'll be a fucking liar if you deny it. I'll grant my fellow men(mankind) rights whether hes black, asian, white or whatever. But a riot will be started if animals are given rights.

Disclaimer: I do not condone animal abuse cases but there are cases which should be exempt such as farm animals e.g. pigs, cows, sheeps.

What's the point of pampering something that wallows in its own filth who in the end provide us with that delicious bacon? There is no bloody point in giving farm animal rights. They're food for fuck's sake.

Human = having the human genome, bipedal, 2 arms, 2 legs, a large brain, has the basic shape of you.
Anything less than human deserves no rights.

Um?

wait wait wait, so you're saying just cause an animal is going to be killed for food why should we care about it enduring intense agony and fear?

When I say "animal rights" I just mean live without humans consciously subjecting it to fear, pain, frustration and bad living conditions (good area to live/food/water etc)

As for italics, its true there aren't "animal rights" in place per say. Though, there are plenty of laws against animal cruelty (which is what I'm talking about) they just aren't respected by all who work in the animal industry.

Like I said before, I have no issue with people consuming meat. I just personally choose not to eat it as a personal stand against those who treat animals cruelly.

Agree @ BKM.

 

[Marmalade.]

Um?

wait wait wait, so you're saying just cause an animal is going to be killed for food why should we care about it enduring intense agony and fear?

When I say "animal rights" I just mean live without humans consciously subjecting it to fear, pain, frustration and bad living conditions (good area to live/food/water etc)

As for italics, its true there aren't "animal rights" in place per say. Though, there are plenty of laws against animal cruelty (which is what I'm talking about) they just aren't respected by all who work in the animal industry.

Like I said before, I have no issue with people consuming meat. I just personally choose not to eat it as a personal stand against those who treat animals cruelly.

Agree @ BKM.

I like you.

 

[Marmalade.]

I don't condone animal cruelty or treatment of them in such manners. Don't you think it'll be a bit fucked up if the animal was treated like that? Anyone in their right mind and raised up in a loving family shouldn't do such horrific act either. I was raised like a lot of children out there, parents, in a house and with affection displayed by said parents.

In your example, you took it too far. No, I can never be that cold, you thought that I was one of those fucked up in the head people who gleefully tortures a cat film it on video. Let me make myself clear, I do not advocates animal cruelty nor believe in granting them rights. There are line draw across the sand for me.

Cat, scared half to death, proceeds to torture and inflicts much pain. Not okay, the perpetrator/s deserves to be put through the same process and/or severely beaten up by their peers. Perhaps be sent to a psychiatrist as well.

Pigs, locks up in pen, feed in said pens, let out to run around for a bit, locked back in. Taken to slaughter house and made into food so I can consume when I pick up a pack of bacon from Woolies. Perfectly okay. Sure, that pig may be treated with much more care but that will undoubtedly raise the price of bacon which I (or you) find unacceptable. Farm animals are just that, sources of food. It's an industry. No, you cannot call a dog a source of food because they're mankind best friend and been around us for millenias.

Call me hypocritical, naiive or a fucking speciecist but all humans are speciecists at heart whether you like it or not. You'll be a fucking liar if you deny it. I'll grant my fellow men(mankind) rights whether hes black, asian, white or whatever. But a riot will be started if animals are given rights.

Disclaimer: I do not condone animal abuse cases but there are cases which should be exempt such as farm animals e.g. pigs, cows, sheeps.

Does it not bother you that the bacon you are buying has come at the price of a pig being treated badly its whole life and then killed inhumanely? Pigs are very intelligent, and they know what is happening to them.

I have no problem with meat-eating per se, but there's a difference between a guy going out and killing whatever animal and eating it, and the process involved in making the bacon that sits on a Woolworths shelf. The former is natural (though I wouldn't do it) and the latter is fucked up.

Do you at least buy free range eggs or would you rather save 50 cents?

 

[Serius]

Well the egg industry isnt regulated very well. "free range" could be a complete lie because nobody checks it, or it could be that they leave the barn door open for an hour a week [but the chooks dont go outside because they have never been outside and they dont know how to] or their outside area might be a 1x1m square of "outside" area that is still fenced in and is just mud on the ground that they dont even go to anyway.

Like i said, i do enjoy the status quo of being able to enjoy meat and animal produce at cheap prices, but i do find the current farming practises a bit unsettling and against my moral views, so it makes me feel bad because i cant reconcile the two positions.

I guess i could always take the viewpoint that all animals are things and possessions that we can treat any way we want, but i find that distasteful when you think about cuddly animals like dogs and cats being tortured and killed for fun....especially because i know they have a mind, they experience pain and depression and problems..

 

[Marmalade.]

Well the egg industry isnt regulated very well. "free range" could be a complete lie because nobody checks it, or it could be that they leave the barn door open for an hour a week [but the chooks dont go outside because they have never been outside and they dont know how to] or their outside area might be a 1x1m square of "outside" area that is still fenced in and is just mud on the ground that they dont even go to anyway.

Yeah you're right that you can't be sure about some free range eggs, but the RSPCA has approved some brands and you can choose those and know that they are really free range.

 

[leisl1990]

If we were to be equal to other animals, would we still be living in the way we do?
Yes, we understand there has been a progress in morality over time.
The problem is that the very difficulties in extending our morality to other species.
The fact of the matter is most of us are going to eat meat, and this is the way we have lived for centuries.
If there is one day when it is considered immoral to slaughter or abuse animals, this will happen progressively.
We didn't suddenly realise racism is wrong at one point, it started with giving people of other race the basic rights.
so perhaps the more meaningful thing is to increase animal welfare rather than claiming killing animal is racism.
But again, if you have different moral attitude towards eating animals, it is ur personal choice on making the decision.
And i am pretty sure most people will respect or even praise u for ur sympathy towards animals.
But the crucial thing is u must not expect everyone to have the same opinion as u do.
U can persuade people to think like u do, but its probably too harsh to say animal slaughtering is racism.

 

[JClamp]

The problem is that the very difficulties in extending our morality to other species.

i dont think thats true. i think people are just too lazy.

 

[Serius]

If i am going to be honest with myself, then i consider farming animals to be a necessity, but one that i find distasteful. Far better is when we hunted animals in the wild, while they live out free in the world then you kill a small amount of the adult ones.

In my mind a perfect solution would be if we could grow cultures of cloned "meat" in vats that are cheaper than real meat, grow faster and almost indistinguishable in taste to th real thing. I would happily eat that vat meat and feel morally satisfied.

 

[Graney]

Eating animals isn't a necessity at all.

 

[Serius]

Eating animals isn't a necessity at all.

I never said eating them was a necessity, i said farming them was... you know, to fuel our taste for meat.

Although i am sure someone could make an argument that you need to eat animals to be healthy.

 

[Serius]

not really, infact its been scientifically proven that vegetable's alone would make u live longer than living on meat

Source please. If you are talking about the calorie reduced diet that makes you live longer, you can still eat meat, just less of it. Most people who live off a solely vegetable diet are not healthy individuals...theres also plenty of evidence that suggests growing children need the proteins specifically from meat for healthy brain development.

Not that i care either way, eat meat or not, its your choice and i dont care, nor do i pretend i NEED to eat meat because i dont care if i need to or not, i enjoy it and nothing would change if i needed it or not, other people can squable over if its necessary or not whilst i enjoy a nice steak. its a controversial topic with evidence for both sides, but if someone wanted to make the argument that meat was necessary, they would probably use the above points.