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ISRAEL'S Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has told the US to keep its nose out of settlement policies in East Jerusalem and in effect ruled out the city being the shared capital of a Palestinian state.

Last week the US demanded that Israel halt the construction of 20 apartments for Jews in Sheikh Jarrah, East Jerusalem.

US State Department officials in Washington called in Israel's ambassador, Michael Oren, to complain about the development known as Shepherd's Hotel.

At the request of the Palestinian Authority President, Mahmoud Abbas, the US officials told Mr Oren that the development would change Sheikh Jarrah's demographic balance and harm its Palestinian residents. The officials demanded that construction be frozen.

Israel annexed East Jerusalem after the 1967 Six Day War and has since regarded it as part of the united capital of Israel. The UN has declared that Israel's annexation of East Jerusalem was in violation of international law and regards Israeli settlements in East Jerusalem neighbourhoods as unlawful.

But Mr Oren responded that the land in question was privately owned and had been bought in 1985 by the US tycoon Irving Moskowitz, and that the building project had received all appropriate planning permits.

At a weekly cabinet meeting on Sunday Mr Netanyahu told his government colleagues that "Israel will not agree to edicts of this kind in East Jerusalem".

"United Jerusalem is the capital of the Jewish people in the state of Israel, and our sovereignty over the city is not subject to appeal," he said. "Our policy is that Jerusalem residents can purchase apartments anywhere in the city. This has been the policy of all Israeli governments."

Mr Netanyahu also told his cabinet that he was surprised at the hard line being taken by the Obama Administration, because when he met the US President, Barack Obama, at the White House in May, Mr Netanyahu said he told Mr Obama that he could not accept restrictions on Israel's sovereignty in East Jerusalem.

"I told him Jerusalem is not a settlement, and there is nothing to discuss about a freeze there," Mr Netanyahu said. "It is clear that I will not capitulate in this case - especially when we are talking about a mere 20 apartments.

East Jerusalem is now home to about 200,000 Jews, which, according to critics of Israel's policies, makes it virtually impossible to establish East Jerusalem as the capital of a future Palestinian state.
Israel to US: it's ours to build on

Proof further, in the ever escalating barrage of evidence, that Israel are a rogue terrorist state who defy international law, engage in murder and genocide, and start illegal settlements.

Israel needs to be bombed.
 

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Waiting for Riet/Sprangler/pro Israeli's to somehow put forward an argument how increasing settlements is all within Israel's rights.
 

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You see, the thing about WWII is Jews were killed and therefore they're allowed to take over Arabia.

Obama needs to put the real Netanyahu in his place, and have him assasinated somehow - perhaps not with something as dumb as ear poison, but still...
 

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We all know where Jerusalem is, let go tea bag the buggers!


KIDDING :D

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Didn't Obama say to the powerful American Jewish lobby prior to his election that "Jerusalem will not be divided."

Don't know why the US is bringing up Jerusalem all of a sudden, are they trying to take an extra hard line? This will just aggravate the Israeli's.

Funny how the SMH article had the following excluded, which was in the almost identical The Age article,

Saed Erekat, a member of the Palestinian negotiating team, said yesterday that "a Palestinian state will not arise without East Jerusalem as its capital".


Since May, the US has demanded that Israel freeze all settlement construction in the West Bank, but it has been less specific about settlement policies in East Jerusalem.
Israelis snub US on East Jerusalem

Waiting for Riet/Sprangler/pro Israeli's to somehow put forward an argument how increasing settlements is all within Israel's rights.
Even I agree that Netanyahu is a bit of a fascist, but he has a point; Jerusalem is not a 'settlement' and has never been recognised as such. Furthermore, it was never taken from Palestinian control. It was under the control of Jordan and although it was taken in the Six Day war, it was one of the only pieces of land that was not taken through a 'pre-emptive' strike, but through a genuine retaliation attack. Shortly after the war started, Israel offered a truce to Jordan that it wouldn't attack if Jordan stayed out of the war, but soon after Jordan caved in to its allies pressure and began shelling Israeli civilian and military targets and only then did Israel attack East Jerusalem.
 
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Israel to US: it's ours to build on

Proof further, in the ever escalating barrage of evidence, that Israel are a rogue terrorist state who defy international law, engage in murder and genocide, and start illegal settlements.

Israel needs to be bombed.
You're a moron, but to the topic at hand: America's response to this should be quite simple - halt all military and economic aid to Israel (significant amounts) and watch them backpedal.

Israel has no bargaining chips.
 

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You're a moron, but to the topic at hand: America's response to this should be quite simple - halt all military and economic aid to Israel (significant amounts) and watch them backpedal.

Israel has no bargaining chips.
Yeah, i find it funny that Israel thinks it can bargin with America, the reason it is still around.
 

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How can building buildings in your own country be against international law lol

There is no such thing as "jewish land" and "palestinian land", people from either side can build homes as they please. The condition of whether they can or not depends on whether they accept themselves as part of the secular free nation of Israel or choose to alienate themselves by siding with terrorists such as Hamas.
 

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You're a moron, but to the topic at hand: America's response to this should be quite simple - halt all military and economic aid to Israel (significant amounts) and watch them backpedal.

Israel has no bargaining chips.
i disagree. it looks like the day is coming when the US has more than one staunch ally in the Mid East. That day is not yet upon us, so they need Israel still. Israel has that dwindling card in its hand.
 

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You're a moron, but to the topic at hand: America's response to this should be quite simple - halt all military and economic aid to Israel (significant amounts) and watch them backpedal.

Israel has no bargaining chips.
It has plenty of bargaining chips, one of them is nukes. Ideologically they are more in alignment with America and I think most importantly, they have one of the best intelligence agencies in the world, and definitely the best in the region. Politically, the Jewish Lobby in America, one of the most powerful lobbies, which is (mostly, though not completely, granted) staunchly pro-Israel. A very handy ally to have.
 

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How can building buildings in your own country be against international law lol

There is no such thing as "jewish land" and "palestinian land", people from either side can build homes as they please. The condition of whether they can or not depends on whether they accept themselves as part of the secular free nation of Israel or choose to alienate themselves by siding with terrorists such as Hamas.
International humanitarian law prohibits [an] occupying power [from transferring] citizens from its own territory to the occupied territory (Fourth Geneva Convention, article 49)
The establishment of settlements results in the violation of the rights of Palestinians as enshrined in international human rights law. Among other violations, the settlements infringe the right to self-determination, equality, property, an adequate standard of living, and freedom of movement.
 

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International humanitarian law prohibits [an] occupying power [from transferring] citizens from its own territory to the occupied territory (Fourth Geneva Convention, article 49)
The establishment of settlements results in the violation of the rights of Palestinians as enshrined in international human rights law. Among other violations, the settlements infringe the right to self-determination, equality, property, an adequate standard of living, and freedom of movement.
Which sovereign state other than Israel make claim to the West Bank, Gaza or East Jerusalem?

If it was in the Golan Heights you'd have a point.
 

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I consider myself pro-Israel, but I'm a little surprised at the lack of knowledge being displayed here.

First of all, none of the land was ever technically conquered from the Palestinians. East Jerusalem and the West Bank were taken from Jordan, and the Gaza Strip from Egypt, during the Six Day War in 1967. These particular territories were recognised in United Nations Security Council resolution 242 as occupied territories, along with the Golan Heights (taken from Syria) and Sinai Peninsula (taken from Egypt). That same resolution called for a withdrawal from "territories occupied in the recent conflict", without specifying which territories (a deliberate omission which the Americans insisted upon) and introduced the "land for peace" formula as a basis for negotiations to resolve the final status of the territories.

This formula was subsequently put into practice when Israel withdrew from the Sinai Peninsula in exchange for a peace agreement with Egypt. As part of this agreement, Egypt withdrew its claims to the Gaza Strip. Later, a peace agreement was signed between Jordan and Israel, in which Jordan also withdrew its claims to the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Having withdrawn their claim to these territories, they were no longer officially claimed by any state (including Israel, which never annexed them except for East Jerusalem). Nevertheless, it has become accepted that they are to be regarded for the purposes of international law as territories under belligerent occupation, and thus that it is forbidden for Israel to transfer its civilian population into those territories (hence the international controversy over settlements). From an international law perspective, the same status applies to East Jerusalem, as affirmed by the Security Council when it declared Israel's annexation of that part of the city "null and void."

These territories are today usually collectively referred to by international organisations as the "Occupied Palestinian Territories", as they remain claimed by the PLO, with whom Israel has agreed to negotiate a final status agreement (See the Oslo Accords and subsequent agreements). That is a brief summary of the legal background which brings us to the current situation. Thus, from a purely legal perspective (in international law), construction in East Jerusalem is no different from settlement construction in the West Bank.

Nevertheless, international law can not serve as a roadmap for conflict resolution. There are a range of complex issues to be dealt with which require the parties, and the American mediator, to display flexiblity and sensitivity to the religious, emotional and national ties of both peoples to the land. Thus, although I am opposed to the Israeli settlements generally, I believe that the Obama administration is in error in attempting to pressure Israel into halting its construction in East Jerusalem. Israel has always drawn a clear distinction between construction in the West Bank (which is does not regard as a part of Israel under Israeli law) and Jerusalem (which is regarded as being under Israeli sovereignty). Although this distinction has no apparent basis in international law, it seems absurd that Obama would demand of them such a massive concession before negotiations have even begun. Indeed, even if Netanyahu WANTED to accept this demand, he is completely incapable of doing so given the nature of coalition politics in Israel. It should also be noted that there have as of yet been no American demands for similarly painful concessions from the Palestinian side.

In short, the American administration needs to tread carefully. If either side lacks confidence in them as a fair mediator, it is going to hurt chances of a resolution of the conflict.
 
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I consider myself pro-Israel, but I'm a little surprised at the lack of knowledge being displayed here.

First of all, none of the land was ever technically conquered from the Palestinians. East Jerusalem and the West Bank were taken from Jordan, and the Gaza Strip from Egypt, during the Six Day War in 1967. These particular territories were recognised in United Nations Security Council resolution 242 as occupied territories, along with the Golan Heights (taken from Syria) and Sinai Peninsula (taken from Egypt). That same resolution called for a withdrawal from "territories occupied in the recent conflict", without specifying which territories (a deliberate omission which the Americans insisted upon) and introduced the "land for peace" formula as a basis for negotiations to resolve the final status of the territories.

This formula was subsequently put into practice when Israel withdrew from the Sinai Peninsula in exchange for a peace agreement with Egypt. As part of this agreement, Egypt withdrew its claims to the Gaza Strip. Later, a peace agreement was signed between Jordan and Israel, in which Jordan also withdrew its claims to the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Having withdrawn their claim to these territories, they were no longer officially claimed by any state (including Israel, which never annexed them except for East Jerusalem). Nevertheless, it has become accepted that they are to be regarded for the purposes of international law as territories under belligerent occupation, and thus that it is forbidden for Israel to transfer its civilian population into those territories (hence the international controversy over settlements). From an international law perspective, the same status applies to East Jerusalem, as affirmed by the Security Council when it declared Israel's annexation of that part of the city "null and void."

These territories are today usually collectively referred to by international organisations as the "Occupied Palestinian Territories", as they remain claimed by the PLO, with whom Israel has agreed to negotiate a final status agreement (See the Oslo Accords and subsequent agreements). That is a brief summary of the legal background which brings us to the current situation. Thus, from a purely legal perspective (in international law), construction in East Jerusalem is no different from settlement construction in the West Bank.

Nevertheless, international law can not serve as a roadmap for conflict resolution. There are a range of complex issues to be dealt with which require the parties, and the American mediator, to display flexiblity and sensitivity to the religious, emotional and national ties of both peoples to the land. Thus, although I am opposed to the Israeli settlements generally, I believe that the Obama administration is in error in attempting to pressure Israel into halting its construction in East Jerusalem. Israel has always drawn a clear distinction between construction in the West Bank (which is does not regard as a part of Israel under Israeli law) and Jerusalem (which is regarded as being under Israeli sovereignty). Although this distinction has no apparent basis in international law, it seems absurd that Obama would demand of them such a massive concession before negotiations have even begun. Indeed, even if Netanyahu WANTED to accept this demand, he is completely incapable of doing so given the nature of coalition politics in Israel. It should also be noted that there have as of yet been no American demands for similarly painful concessions from the Palestinian side.

In short, the American administration needs to tread carefully. If either side lacks confidence in them as a fair mediator, it is going to hurt chances of a resolution of the conflict.
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