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Homosexuality in Australia (5 Viewers)

What do you think of homosexuality in Australia?

  • Yes, i strongly support it.

    Votes: 674 48.5%
  • I somewhat support it.

    Votes: 201 14.5%
  • No opinion

    Votes: 182 13.1%
  • I do not support it.

    Votes: 334 24.0%

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Could one not argue that transition allows them to become truly separate? I mean, a man in a woman's body or a woman in a man's body hardly fits the gender mold.

We could extrapolate further; almost all intersex have transitioned in some way without being discretely male or female in such hard terms to begin with. So is it religiously permitted for them to transition?
Hm. I would look to the verse quoted by cookie yesterday, in that false prophets come as a sheep in wolves' clothing - pay no heed to their words, but look to their fruits. The fruits do not lie; only the mind is poisoned.
 

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Hm. I would look to the verse quoted by cookie yesterday, in that false prophets come as a sheep in wolves' clothing - pay no heed to their words, but look to their fruits. The fruits do not lie; only the mind is poisoned.
 

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KRXQ Sacramento Radio Hosts Encourage Violence Against Transgender Children

Even by the flexible moral, ethical, and professional standards of American talk radio, the May 28th segment of KRXQ 98.5 FM Sacramento's Rob, Arnie, & Dawn in the Morning radio talk show makes for a sickening half-hour of ugliness and cruelty. For once, the focus was not LGBT adults, but minors. The hosts, Rob Williams and Arnie States, devoted the segment in question to a vicious diatribe against transgender children, some as young as five, focusing in particular on the case of one Omaha family raising a gender dysphoric child, and their decision to support her transition from male to female.

Williams and States took turns referring to gender dysphoric children as "idiots" and "freaks," who were just out "for attention" and had "a mental disorder that just needs to somehow be gotten out of them," either by verbal abuse on the part of the parents, or even shock therapy.

"Allowing transgenders to exist, pretty soon it becomes normal to fall in love with the animals," they said.

For his part, States bragged that if his own son were to ever dare put on a pair of high heels, States would beat his son with one of his own shoes. He urged parents whose own little boys expressed a desire to wear a dress to verbally abuse and degrade them as a viable response. "Because you know what? Boys don't wear high heel shoes. And in my house, they definitely don't wear high heels.

"I'm going to go, 'You know what? You're a little idiot! You little dumbass!'" States sneered, adding later, "I look forward to when [the transgender children] go out into society and society beats them down. And they wind up in therapy."

Or dead.

In light of the well-publicized suicides this year of the two boys who took their own lives because of bullying and harassment for "acting gay" (which, in the argot of modern North American teenagers, often refers to acting in a way considered unmasculine by their peers) the stunning lack of moral sensibility on the part of States and Williams is breathtaking. But it also points to the increasingly degraded landscape of talk radio.

The causal link between Bill O'Reilly's obsessive baiting of abortion provider Dr. George Tiller on FOX and Tiller's murder on Sunday, May 31st as he was ushering in his Kansas City church, is currently being explored, an exploration particularly relevant in the case of Rob, Arnie, and Dawn in the Morning, and the potential violent fallout from their inexplicably rage-filled invective against not only transgender children, but even boys who err on the feminine side of standard adolescent behavior, behavior States and Williams consider unnatural because "men are hunters and women are gatherers."

I shudder to imagine the response of the late Carl Joseph Walker-Hoover's mother if she'd had the misfortune to hear the KRXQ broadcast.

"They were always saying [to Carl] 'You're gay, you must be gay, you act like a girl'," Sideaner L. Walker told the press in April, speaking of the dead son she had to cut down from the support beam he hung himself from after months of taunts from his peers---taunts that likely bore more than a passing resemblance to the invective used by States and Williams on their May 28th broadcast.

"I'm not open-minded once I look into sumpin'" one of the two men grunted at the beginning of the segment, their voices interchangeable. "I have every right to call you a freak and judge you on that. It makes me sick. 'Mommy, I'm a girl trapped in a boy's body,'" he simpered, mimicking an effeminate little boy. "I want to wear a dwess."

They berated co-host Dawn Rossi, who seemed genuinely horrified by the rising crescendo of ugliness towards the children and their parents from States and Williams.

"You're actually defending allowing people to become freaks?" they seethed. "A boy who wants to wear a dress is a freak. A nut." Comparing transgender children to "fat bastard kids on Maury," States and Williams urged advocates of transgender children to "stop hiding behind research and laws," whose authority they wholeheartedly reject. Braying with the certitude of the jubilantly ignorant, States and Williams revealed to listeners that "transgenders [sic] did not exist four decades ago," apparently unaware of the historical fact that transgender individuals have existed in every culture throughout recorded history, including in native American cultures where the "two spirited" were revered as teachers, healers, and shamans.

By no objective standard are dumbed-down, Wal-Mart versions of O'Reilly like States and Williams journalists. Nor are they really experts on anything other than plunging the overflowing toilets of their listeners' psyches and selling the sewage back to them, repackaged as "insight," "common sense" and "plain talk" from fake-macho blowhards hiding behind radio microphones.

One doesn't need a primer on transgender or transsexual history in order to appreciate the awesome brutality of the KRXQ shock-jocks' diatribe. All one needs is to know a child, any child. They're small, they're vulnerable, and their world is populated with gods whose divinity is derived solely from their adulthood and perceived authority.

States and Williams chose to use that authority to attack a segment of the childhood population who are more vulnerable than almost any other. Transgender children are at a point in their lives when they feel their own bodies are the enemy, and alien to them. Many of them go to bed praying that when they wake up their bodies and their inner gender will be aligned.

"If the kid ever gets to be eighteen," States snarled, "and says 'I still feel like a woman!' you say, 'Get out! Go be a freak! And understand, SON, that society will never accept you because we still have some moral judgment."

As disturbing as it has become to an increasingly enlightened segment of the mainstream American population to hear LGBT adults vilified and degraded in the media as the discussion over gay marriage and Don't Ask, Don't Tell reaches a boiling point, no one with even a passing acquaintanceship with decency could have been prepared for KRXQ's May 28th pageant of brutality towards transgender children.

Who are, after all, children, first and foremost. Trusting, innocent, and vulnerable, they ought to be beyond the reach of the violent, hate-mongering adult rhetoric that is taken for granted in American talk radio. One needs no particular sympathy for transgender people to understand the prodigious boundary transgression of promoting contempt and disgust towards children,anyone's children, on a radio show.

This should give serious pause to adults of every political, economic, and social background, whatever their stand on LGBT issues. It should be of particular concern to KRXQ's advertisers and their customers.

My little godson Michael is the light of my life. His father was a hockey player and his mother is a legendary beauty. He embodies the best of those two people to absolute perfection. It's been educational to watch his awareness of his own masculine gender assert itself in the last few years. His gender identity wasn't "learned," it came to him already hardwired, in the same way studies continue to show that a transgender child's gender is hardwired. And whatever else his struggles may be in later life, I personally doubt that gender identity is going to be one of them.

But his gentleness and his vulnerability brings my protectiveness into hyper-focus. And if he wanted to wear a dress, or told me he was a girl, my instinct as an adult would be to protect him and try to understand him.

I can only imagine the perfect horror of having someone like States as a father. But if anyone ever called my godson a "sick little freak," or a "nut," or a "freak of nature," or beat him with a shoe for being himself, I could not, and would not, be held accountable for my reaction, or my inevitable response.

I know which end of the shoe I would be on if I ever met another adult who took the official Rob, Arnie & Dawn in the Morning child-rearing advice to heart after hearing it on KRXQ 98.5 FM Sacramento.
Haha, this is incredible, you couldn't make this stuff up.

I particularly liked this bit

States and Williams urged advocates of transgender children to "stop hiding behind research and laws," whose authority they wholeheartedly reject.
Science and legislature are despicable.
 
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It becomes very hard, after reading the above article, to remain true to my beliefs. I am, and always will be, an advocate of free speech, in all forms, and after defending the chaser in their recent antics, I think it might be best to err on the side of hypocrisy in saying that:

These bastards should be shot. I don't care what you feel about people of different sexual and gender orientations, to impose those feelings on others (and on freaking children no less!) is disgusting.

The worst part was that States referred to his own son. The prospect of someone of that caliber breeding shocks me.

Views like this can't be defended, they're wrong. Period. The conclusion I've reached? Sure, you can say it, but act on this bullshit and you should be killed.

You can keep your 'moral standards', you fucking bastard.
 

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The free speech is cool, but as you say, it's a problem when it's acted out.

Thankfully we already have laws that severely punish anyone who physcially went through with those offensive suggestions.
 

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This is where I think it gets a little hazy ...

From what I gather, it's technically not inciting violence in that he's not directly saying we should go bash some trans gendered kids ... But at what point do we draw the line and say it's not ok. Is it after somebody does go and bash a trans gendered kid? Is it after some of his followers picket and street and yell harassment at trans gendered people?

I guess other than being a twat he hasn't done anything wrong, but I'm always curious to see where people think we should draw the line when it comes to free speech and inciting hatred.
 

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I think it should be remembered that there's a difference between freedom of speech, which in practice no country really has, and speech without consequence. This guy can say what he likes but no one is under any obligation to put up with it or enable him to say it; I have no problem with it if his superiors force him to resign for spreading hateful propaganda (and I think there should be a clause in the working contract of any talk show persona to prevent this sort of thing).

We don't have to give him a position in a radio station in the effort of protecting freedom of speech. He can go preach on a street corner with the Phelps and all the other deluded fuck ups.
 

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Certainly. Petitioning sponsors to boycott the radio station as long as he is employed, is a fair and effective response that will probably see him lose his job. This is the approach that should be sought, rather than legislation.

There may be a market for this sort of speech in the US though.
 

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But this is ignoring the fact that physically the person may be one sex, yet psychologically the person is not.

There are numerous studies to support the validity of this, shall we read them?

Wouldn't you then consider all surgery to be mutilation? What about people with face and hand transplants, would you consider that those people should just accept the will of God?
This is certainly the case
My older sister is doing her Doctorate for Psych on this very issue: transgender
from what I have gathered, there has been discovery of more than just the plain X and Y chromosome make up, i.e. there are multiple different ways and combinations!

So it is completely legit for there to be a male brain in a female body and vice versa. Did you know, the current information which Psychs receieve when adresseing this issue was from research made decades ago (don't know the exact date). Not too long ago gays were ocmpletely mistreated, and still old research is used...

I think changes to genitals are completely legit, as well as hormones, though it does need to be thought through for a long period of time!!

summing up.. love is love, who gives a shit what gender. Don't we always say to love whats on the inside and not the outside? So these religous cults (yes, cults are the only form of religion i think.. it is all a form or brainwashing is it not?) have been saying the most hypocritical thing out!!
 

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summing up.. love is love, who gives a shit what gender. Don't we always say to love whats on the inside and not the outside? So these religous cults (yes, cults are the only form of religion i think.. it is all a form or brainwashing is it not?) have been saying the most hypocritical thing out!!
I wish more people had this kind of good sense.
 

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Let's not go crazy, Kami. This is only one area which comes into conflict with the divine plan, as we perceive it. God made man and woman as unique and separate beings, in His own image.
Your gender vomit is problematic to us :eek:
gender vomit? problematic? hate to break it to you sweets, but its people like YOU that are the problem

so you know what, fuck you. people go through enough shit without brainwashed religious snobs coming along talking about how an old book tells all truth. I think (and other sane people too) that love is love regardless of what gender it is between... i still find the funniest part of this issue is religious groups saying 'they don't effect us' (on Dr Phil in US - biggest brainwashed place of them all) but 'no they cannot get married'. a bit strange seeing as they 'don't effect you', don't you think?

aaaaah I am so glad to be brought up in a sane household my whole life.

The day I realised how unrealistic religious beliefs were was the day I heard a girl say "God saved my mother from dying of breast cancer". If the divine God really gave a shit why is there so much pain, death, so many stupid presidents (shrub) and such a terrible mistreatment of humans? You guys started burning and killing people (eg witches) and if they died they were innocent? what the fuck?

aaah sorry, I get all ranty where I hear stupid religion be hypocritical, unfair and unjust yet again. the world would be such a better place WIHTOUT it to be frank


Goodluck with trials to all those with clear minds :)


Though I do have to admit, some religion is fine if it gives you 'peace' but not if it causes you to be unaccepting, narrow minded and sign your house over to the dark side!
 

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what is a male and a female? =P

im not smart enough to answer questions, but asking them is fun.

Marriage is a union between a man and a woman. What is the difference between a man and a woman?

Where is the line draw? Do they have to look like a man and a woman?
 

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Hes saying that marriage is between a man and a women and...

Nope, got me confused badly.
 

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I'm trying to bring up the fact that marriage has been allowed if you get a sex change
 

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Why would someone get a sex change to be "lawfully" wedded.

If the couple wants to be recognised as a married couple, they should be. Religion should play NO part in government actions what so ever.
 

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Why would someone get a sex change to be "lawfully" wedded.

If the couple wants to be recognised as a married couple, they should be. Religion should play NO part in government actions what so ever.
It is the only way to be lawfully wedded in that situation, though they dont get a sex change to get married, usually they get it before hand, meet the person then get married.
Also the problem with marriage is that it is a religious thing, well was. Obviously the government thinks that civil union is enough, but we want equality
~slams fist on table
Also marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman, hence it not being possible for same sex couples being wedded, until that is changed



why didnt you just say that wtf
Because i like being cryptic, its one way to get my kicks
 

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It is the only way to be lawfully wedded in that situation, though they dont get a sex change to get married, usually they get it before hand, meet the person then get married.
Also the problem with marriage is that it is a religious thing, well was. Obviously the government thinks that civil union is enough, but we want equality
~slams fist on table
Also marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman, hence it not being possible for same sex couples being wedded, until that is changed





Because i like being cryptic, its one way to get my kicks
And being a fucking retard is as well.

Homosexuals dont get sex changes, Gender Confused individuals do, dependent on how they feel and the severity of their situation.

OMFG.
 

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And being a fucking retard is as well.

Homosexuals dont get sex changes, Gender Confused individuals do, dependent on how they feel and the severity of their situation.

OMFG.

Okay, and what makes them feel gender confused?
 

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