The media and truth? USSR as case study (1 Viewer)

[flaganarchy]

I don't know... most people on this forum seem to be anti-socialism and all for 'freedom' and all that... Has anyone ever considered that what you 'know' about the USSR was WRONG. If u do any research you can see that that country was most probably the most free! I will explain later.... its just pretty amazing guys.

 

[Bigboyjames lol]

I don't know... most people on this forum seem to be anti-socialism and all for 'freedom' and all that... Has anyone ever considered that what you 'know' about the USSR was WRONG. If u do any research you can see that that country was most probably the most free! I will explain later.... its just pretty amazing guys.

lol

 

[Bigboyjames lol]

I thought id highlight the main points

 

[flaganarchy]

thx 4 that james.... hopefully people will comement now!

 

[annabackwards]

Rofl.

 

[flaganarchy]

like for example... people talk about werk camps and gulags? wtf is that... gulag isnt even a word... it gets me really annoyed. its all lies and false propaghanda... i cannot believe any evidence that comes through nsw media... read chomsky!@

 

[loquasagacious]

Ok so we're waiting for you explanation of how and why the USSR really was a workers paradise, free-est society in the land, etc etc.......

 

[Bigboyjames lol]

wtf. OP used to be a prominent member of the ancap team. when the fucking did SA convert him?

 

[bio_nut]

wtf. OP used to be a prominent member of the ancap team. when the fucking did SA convert him?

He actually has been interested in socialist shit since he started uni. I remember posts about that back then.

 

[flaganarchy]

james don't be silly... i didn't get 'converted'... i just did some research... i mean seriously.... marx wanted mad freedom... lenin came from marx and stalin came form lenin.... stalin still wanted the same thing! once people get there head around that... paradise here we come !

 

[Bigboyjames lol]

I spat on a SA member once

 

[flaganarchy]

they probs used it to style there facial hair

 

[HumanDichotomy]

Imo, there is a difference between ideals and practice here. Sure, socialism as an ideal is great. But the ways that Lenin and Stalin implemented it were not. In fact, I would argue that neither of their regimes were socialist, rather totalitarianism dressed up, particularly under Stalin.

Although you are right that 'gulag' is not technically a word, it's a Russian acronym, and has come into common usage.

define: gulag - Google Search

http://gulaghistory.org/nps/

http://gulaghistory.org/nps/onlineexhibit/stalin/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag

Plus, you can't deny the terror of the Leninist/Stalinist regime purely on the basis that you don't think *one* of the terms used during this time is incorrect. Even if the gulags did not exist, there would still be the question of the devastating effects of the Civil War, War Communism, collectivisation, dekulakisation, the Great Purges, the NKVD, the Cheka, etc.