B Business & Commerce/B Laws or B Economics/B Laws. (1 Viewer)

[x.Exhaust.x]

So...what's either degree like? . Is the workload really intense? Provide all of your biases/views against the degree etc.

And where do you plan to go once you graduate with this double degree? Thanks.

 

[trickx]

Do yourself a favour and dont fucking go. For the love of God ...

 

[x.Exhaust.x]

Do yourself a favour and dont fucking go. For the love of God ...

Why not trickx? Were you previously applied in the course? Elaborate .

 

[wixxy2348]

trickx, it's not THAT terrible.... I mean I transferred out but I could have put up with it if I'd wanted to lol.
Exhaust, as long as you're genuinely interested in law and commerce/economics, it's a pretty worthwhile course to do. That said, you really should be aiming to get a higher ATAR than UWS requires. It will give you more options later if you find that the UWS course doesn't meet your expectations or suit you, and will also give you the option of getting into similar courses at other universities (UTS for example).

 

[TunaFish]

I'm interested in OP's question too.

At the moment I am partial to choosing B Business & Commerce/ B Laws because in 2011 UWS will be introducing a B Business & Commerce (Advanced)/ B Laws which 09ers can transfer into in second year, whereas B Economics/ B Laws does not offer the advanced component.
Plus Business & Commerce has more interesting-sounding majors

trickx, it's not THAT terrible.... I mean I transferred out but I could have put up with it if I'd wanted to lol.
Exhaust, as long as you're genuinely interested in law and commerce/economics, it's a pretty worthwhile course to do. That said, you really should be aiming to get a higher ATAR than UWS requires. It will give you more options later if you find that the UWS course doesn't meet your expectations or suit you, and will also give you the option of getting into similar courses at other universities (UTS for example).

Which courses did you transfer out of and into?

 

[Lara1986]

I can only speak for the major I did - a lot depends on what major you want to do as whilst there are common units, the majors can be pretty different.

I did the Human Resource Management and Industrial Relations major.

Whilst a few units in the first year were a bit tedious, especially in comparison with the law subjects, the latter years were really enjoyable.

It's a great course for critical thinking, especially in the third year subjects. It's really varied - covers a heap of different areas so it opens up a lot of work avenues.

Whilst of course there were a few less than great teachers, most i had were awesome - if you do end up doing anything in the School of Management and you have a choice, take classes run by Louise Ingersoll and Meg Smith and Nadine Campbell cause they're all really great teachers.


It's a good course to compliment law if you want to work in a Union, Employment association or other body in law or otherwise cause it gives you the background for those areas. It's also a good course if you want to practise in employment or OHS or other work related/business related law.

If not - the general knowledge gives you good skills for general application in work whether you go on to be a manager or not - gives you an understanding of managing people, how HR in firms functions and what they base things on (allowing you to rort the system for your advantage lol) etc

 

[wixxy2348]

Which courses did you transfer out of and into?

Transferred out of the Bachelor of Business & Commerce/Bachelor of Law at UWS to a B Arts/B Laws at the University of Notre Dame, Australia

 

[x.Exhaust.x]

Thanks for your replies.

Wixxy, I wouldn't say that I'm "genuinely" interested in the degree. I'm relating it to my Year 10 Commerce and Year 11 Preliminary Economics experience, and they were enjoyable, especially if I had put more effort to obtain higher ranks.

Unfortunately, I didn't for Economics, and so I decided to drop it and jump into the deep end with my current subjects (stress). I'm still contemplating on choosing this degree though (because I'm not doing any humanities for the HSC). I chose it as my 8th preference, so yeah. It's definitely a big jump and change from my 1st, 2nd, and 3rd preferences for med at UNSW, UWS, UNCLE to 8th as B Comm and B Bus/B Laws.

Why did you transfer into Arts/Law at Notre Dame btw? Any problems you found with the B Comm and B Bus/B Laws?

Thanks.

 

[melsc]

For law - interest and ability is key, its a lot of work and is a long course.
It sorts of things you will need to do:
*Anywhere between 0-150+ pages of reading per subject per week (this can be cases, statutes, articles, textbooks, theoretical readings..)
* Tutorial Discussion/ Participation and/or presentations (YES YOU NEED TO LEARN TO SPEAK PUBLICALLY EVEN IF YOU DONT WANT TO BE A LAWYER)
*Open book exams (very occasionally closed book but not usually), some times mini multiple choice quizes
*Assignments such as hypothetical senarios, moots (only at certain uni's like UWS), essays, presentations, group work, case notes, commentaries.

I don't know too much about Business but I can tell you that if you are doing the com/law combo just for employability DON'T if you aren't interested you'll hate it. There are many other combos to do and if you want something general and flexible do Arts

Any other questions just ask

 

[TunaFish]

How often will we be required to do presentations/ mooting/ any other assessments to do with public speaking other than the mock bail application during first year?

 

[Lara1986]

How often will we be required to do presentations/ mooting/ any other assessments to do with public speaking other than the mock bail application during first year?

Depends on the unit

Probably average of once a semester per unit but that said, some require none and some require a lot more.

Eg - Professional Legal Skills 2 essentially requires an oral presentation of some form more or less weekly.

Even if you don't have to do 'formal assessments' of this style, you'll often have to get up and talk before the class or generally make contributions.

If you're interested in combined with a business related degree - back when i did it, most units in the early stages of the degree had a tutorial presentation, but that's only a 10-15 minutes presentation so no big deal.

 

[melsc]

Almost all units have some kind of tute presentation or at least class participation

 

[TunaFish]

Ah I see.

I'm ok with class disussions and whatnot, but formal oral presentations freak me out because I think I'm going to draw a complete mental blank when I get up there to speak.


Anywho, thanks for that.

 

[melsc]

Most of them aren't too formal and most people get a bit nervous. Don't worry most people get used to it

 

[Lara1986]

Ah I see.

I'm ok with class disussions and whatnot, but formal oral presentations freak me out because I think I'm going to draw a complete mental blank when I get up there to speak.


Anywho, thanks for that.

If you want to be a advocate lawyer - get used to it. You'll need to be good at oral presentations.

They're not that bad though, and it is helpful to learn and improve your speaking skills. Most are only 10-15 minutes, and even the formal ones, you get guidelines and often practice or instructions given in earlier classes to help you prepare.

 

[beefnoodle]

I love reading and writing but hate public speaking and just want a simple decent paying job to live a simple decent life. I am interested in becoming a law clerk, what is my chance of getting through the course? Is there a lot of group work involved?

 

[X-terc]

I was wondering if the presentations are consist of individuals or mostly in groups?

 

[Lara1986]

I was wondering if the presentations are consist of individuals or mostly in groups?

In my experience (although the course has changed since when i started in 2005) most for business were individual.

Law is probably half half - and often when you do them as 'groups' there are quite individual components so whilst you work on it together, often you will present separate parts each and be marked individually.

 

[Demandred]

You should starting thinking about what career path you want to do. I did a B Econ / B Laws and I found my career paths to be quite narrow when compared to B Comm / B Laws.

B Econ is a very very specialised degree and would pretty much seclude you to career as an economist if you don't become a lawyer (State or Federal Treasuries, RBA, and Dept of Climate Change etc...)

B Econ doesn't really mix well with law - the only area I could think of is competition law / trade practices (which is 70% economics and 30% law).

B Comm opens up a lot of doors:

- Management consulting (Bain & Co, Boston Consulting & McKinsey etc...)
- Investment banking (JP Morgan, Morgan Stanely, UBS etc...)
- Accounting / corporate advisory firms (Deloitte, Ernst & Young, Pricewaterhouse Coopers etc....)

I would definitely think about studying some accounting, corporate financing and business management to broaded your opportunities.

Plus, you could really complement B Comm with you B laws especially in the areas of securities, exchange, financial instruments, corporations law.

All the best.