Homosexuality in Australia (4 Viewers)

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

Wait... so you want me to want to kill you?

"Let he who has lived without sinning cast the first stone" (not exact quote I don't think).

Lol if I really insisted on killing people for sin, then there wouldn't be a human left (including myself).

Punishment for sin is death, but not physical death as you know it, an eternity of death, as opposed to an eternity if life in Heaven.

Well if the bible says that my blood should be on my head because I slept with another man, then damn it, I demand that you put me to death - and everyother homosexual for that matter!

Surely you wouldn't disagree with that since your sacred bible says so right? I mean, the bible distinctly say that people should be put to death for so and so. No questions asked. They sin. They get put to death. Simple.

 

[Name_Taken]

Well if the bible says that my blood should be on my head because I slept with another man, then damn it, I demand that you put me to death - and everyother homosexual for that matter!

Surely you wouldn't disagree with that since your sacred bible says so right? I mean, the bible distinctly say that people should be put to death for so and so. No questions asked. They sin. They get put to death. Simple.

Lol, your blood will be on your own head.

But I am not the one who will punish you for your transgressions in this life.

Its never too late to be saved though. There is hope for you yet.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

Lol, your blood will be on your own head.

But I am not the one who will punish you for your transgressions in this life.

Its never too late to be saved though. There is hope for you yet.

Then who??? Someone should punish me. The bible clearly says so. Maybe the legal system. Maybe I'll get my stoning that way.


Or you disagree?

 

[Name_Taken]

So because women wanted to vote, does it make it a right?

There are consequences for everything, and society is still paying for them.

Don't take that out of context either kiddo, I support womens lib.

There is nothing wrong with being female, its not like the Bible condemns it - don't pretend that it does. Furthermore being a women is hardly a choice.

Having homosexual sex is a choice, when are you going to face this reality?

Furthermore, society has nothing to gain, and only stands to lose if it actively encourages homosexuality, and destroys the value of marriage.

Nobody's rights are being infringed in the status quo.

 

[Name_Taken]

Then who??? Someone should punish me. The bible clearly says so. Maybe the legal system. Maybe I'll get my stoning that way.


Or you disagree?

Are you a masochist?

Far out. I'm not going to kill you, and I'm not going to advocate support for someone else who wants to.

"You shall not murder" is pretty clear IMO. The Bible says, whoever hates his brother (as in fellow man) is a murderer. That's the spiritual nature of God's Law. Jesus says if you are angry without cause, you are in danger of the judgment.

I have no cause to kill you. Simply becuase you have sinned is not a reason, for me to kill you. I am a sinner as well, and are equally deserving of death. Sin however can be forgiven through salvation.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

Are you a masochist?

Far out. I'm not going to kill you, and I'm not going to advocate support for someone else who wants to.

"You shall not murder" is pretty clear IMO. The Bible says, whoever hates his brother (as in fellow man) is a murderer. That's the spiritual nature of God's Law. Jesus says if you are angry without cause, you are in danger of the judgment.

I have no cause to kill you. Simply becuase you have sinned is not a reason, for me to kill you. I am a sinner as well, and are equally deserving of death. Sin however can be forgiven through salvation.

Let's say I sleep with ALOT of guys and have no intention of stopping that in the future. The bible says I should be put to death for my sin. Some christians know what I "do" and drag me out to the edge of town and stone me to death in the name of the bible. I shall ask you again, do you agree or disagree?

 

[Iron]

If youre so intent on ignoring the new testament and Christ's revelation, pls take up you dipshit questions with some orthodox Jews
facepalmmmm

 

[Name_Taken]

Let's say I sleep with ALOT of guys and have no intention of stopping that in the future. The bible says I should be put to death for my sin. Some christians know what I "do" and drag me out to the edge of town and stone me to death in the name of the bible. I shall ask you again, do you agree or disagree?

You have done wrong, but they also have done wrong.

It is not up to them to punish others for sin, especially not in a way which is a sin inunto itself.

It doesn't mean that the people who stoned you are evil people becuase they have sinned (as it doesn't mean that you are an evil person for your sin).

All of you can be forgiven through salvation.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

You have done wrong, but they also have done wrong.

It is not up to them to punish others for sin, especially not in a way which is a sin inunto itself.

It doesn't mean that the people who stoned you are evil people becuase they have sinned (as it doesn't mean that you are an evil person for your sin).

All of you can be forgiven through salvation.

Alright, you disagree. All I've got to say (as christiany as I can) is that we were created, each of us, with our sexual orientation. Any attempt to "remedy" that would be like telling god that he created us "incorrectly". We have neither the right, nor the ability to recreate ourselves.

I've also found a rather interesting webpage: Homosexual Theology

 

[Name_Taken]

Alright, you disagree. All I've got to say (as christiany as I can) is that we were created, each of us, with our sexual orientation. Any attempt to "remedy" that would be like telling god that he created us "incorrectly". We have neither the right, nor the ability to recreate ourselves.

I've also found a rather interesting webpage: Homosexual Theology

Do you read the links you post?

Obviously the argument breaks down. Scripture never condones sex outside of marriage (premarital sex, extramarital sex, homosexual sex). God created man and woman for the institution of marriage (Gen. 2:24). Homosexuality is a violation of the creation order, and God clearly condemns it as unnatural and specifically against His ordained order. As we have seen in the discussion thus far, there are passages in both the Old Testament and the New Testament which condemn homosexuality.

and

But a predisposition is not the same as a determination. Some people may inherit a predisposition for anger, depression, or alcoholism, yet we do not condone these behaviors. And even if violence, depression, or alcoholism were proven to be inborn (determined by genetic material), would we accept them as normal and refuse to treat them? Of course not. The Bible has clear statements about such things as anger and alcoholism. Likewise, the Bible has clear statements about homosexuality.

and again

In our discussion in this transcript, we have examined the various claims of pro-homosexual commentators and found them wanting. Contrary to their claims, the Bible does not condone homosexual behavior.

Lol you don't get it.

God did not create you with the desire to sin. You are tainted with sin as are all people, you can't not do it, however God expects you to resist and grants you redemption if you admit your imperfections and failures, but maintain your faith in Him.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

God did not create you with the desire to sin. You are tainted with sin as are all people, you can't not do it, however God expects you to resist and grants you redemption if you admit your imperfections and failures, but maintain your faith in Him.

I have no faith in him. Enough said.

Faith and trust is not something you can just hand out like pamphlets. They're earned and god has yet to earn mine.

 

[Name_Taken]

I have no faith in him. Enough said.

Faith and trust is not something you can just hand out like pamphlets. They're earned and god has yet to earn mine.

Lol how arrogant of you to assume He has to prove Himself and be accountable to you.

How do you even expect to get into a relationship with another human if you are so self-centred? Did you take the same approach to your parents? "Mum you havn't earnt my trust waa waa"...

And I note that you ignored the points that I rose in my last post, and the quotes, of which you provided to link to in the first place.

And its a capital G for God and H for Him, learn your place bud

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

Lol how arrogant of you to assume He has to prove Himself and be accountable to you.

How do you even expect to get into a relationship with another human if you are so self-centred? Did you take the same approach to your parents? "Mum you havn't earnt my trust waa waa"...

And I note that you ignored the points that I rose in my last post, and the quotes, of which you provided to link to in the first place.

And its a capital G for God and H for Him, learn your place bud

my mother has given no reason for me to distrust her. i mean, when you, how do you know that you're not simply talking to thin air?

 

[Name_Taken]

my mother has given no reason for me to distrust her. i mean, when you, how do you know that you're not simply talking to thin air?

And when has God ever given you a reason to distrust him?

Lol, becuase I have faith.

Before you criticise my having faith, think about how it would be as correct for me to say that you have as much faith invested in God not existing as I do in His existence. Neither of us have evidence to support our claims.

Stop asking me to believe something for which there is no evidence you hypocrite.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

And when has God ever given you a reason to distrust him?

Lol, becuase I have faith.

Oh please, I used to have faith in the tooth fairy.

Before you criticise my having faith, think about how it would be correct for me to say that you have as much faith invested in God not existing as I do in His existence. Neither of us have evidence to support our claims.

Good point I guess. So why don't we just keep god out of the discussion for now

 

[Name_Taken]

Oh please, I used to have faith in the tooth fairy.



Good point I guess. So why don't we just keep god out of the discussion for now

Lol... But its about homosexuality, not religion or faith.

And since there is no evidence that He doesn't exist, He belongs as much in my side of the case, as He doesn't belong in yours... That makes sense, doesn't it?

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

Lol... But its about homosexuality, not religion or faith.

And since there is no evidence that He doesn't exist, He belongs as much in my side of the case, as He doesn't belong in yours... That makes sense, doesn't it?

You are so "lol" mate.

Well seriously now, I think you should meet us in the middle here. How about... only christian homosexuals should be denied the "right" to marry and "adopt" and all non-christians should be given the right to enter in to "civil unions", which would grant them all rights normally vested to a married couple. Though... it would be weird to ask your partner, "Will you 'civil union' me?"

 

[zaxmacks]

You are so "lol" mate.

Well seriously now, I think you should meet us in the middle here. How about... only christian homosexuals should be denied the "right" to marry and "adopt" and all non-christians should be given the right to enter in to "civil unions", which would grant them all rights normally vested to a married couple. Though... it would be weird to ask your partner, "Will you 'civil union' me?"

His opinion on it is wrong though.

Christians are supposed to obey the laws of the institution in which they live (Peter 2:13-17). Now with this in mind, the constitution clearly states in section 116 that "The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance...", which means that religion cannot influence legislation, and there are no constitutional reasons to ban same sex marriages etc. Now that being said, if the laws of the land conflict with God's laws (ie. homosexuality being a sin) then Christians are to obey God's law, but a law that allows same sex marriage doesn't force you to enter into a same sex marriage. So Christians have no right to oppose the legislature.

 

[Name_Taken]

His opinion on it is wrong though.

Christians are supposed to obey the laws of the institution in which they live (Peter 2:13-17). Now with this in mind, the constitution clearly states in section 116 that "The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance...", which means that religion cannot influence legislation, and there are no constitutional reasons to ban same sex marriages etc. Now that being said, if the laws of the land conflict with God's laws (ie. homosexuality being a sin) then Christians are to obey God's law, but a law that allows same sex marriage doesn't force you to enter into a same sex marriage. So Christians have no right to oppose the legislature.

Lol so dumb.

Anyone in society has the right to oppose legislature, and for whatever reason they want. Government serves the people, not the other way around.

The reason can be completely stupid (and it can be one which you do not relate or agree with), but the state is obliged to serve the wishes of the people. If everyone in this country said we want to legalise racist hate crime, sorry but it becomes law. Yeah, it may not be morally "right"in your opinion (or mine) but laws are based on the will of the people.

And just so you know, that clause in the constitution relates to the Government not being able to force religion or religious beliefs upon people. People have the right to choose not to observe a religion, can you read?

Nobody has yet presented a credible case (without any religious or anti-religious points) as to why society should go out of its way to accept same sex marriage and promote homosexuality.

What benefit will it bring to society as a whole? You're meant to be the ones argueing for change here, convince me. Can you demonstrate any tangible benefits whatsoever? at least we can present reasons against it (both religious and non-religious).

 

[zaxmacks]

Lol so dumb.

Anyone in society has the right to oppose legislature, and for whatever reason they want. Government serves the people, not the other way around.

The reason can be completely stupid (and it can be one which you do not relate or agree with), but the state is obliged to serve the wishes of the people. If everyone in this country said we want to legalise racist hate crime, sorry but it becomes law. Yeah, it may not be morally "right"in your opinion (or mine) but laws are based on the will of the people.

Nobody has yet presented a credible case (without any religious or anti-religious points) as to why society should go out of its way to accept same sex marriage and promote homosexuality.

What benefit will it bring to society as a whole? You're meant to be the ones argueing for change here, convince me. Can you demonstrate any benefits whatsoever? at least we can present reasons against it (both religious and non-religious).

No, it's not dumb. What are you trying to refute? So far you haven't provided a reason why my post is dumb.

And here's a credible case; the law is unconstitutional. There is no reason (other than Christian beliefs) why same sex couples should have less rights than a male/female couple.