Internet filtering: You can't opt-out (3 Viewers)

[Bereie]

this thread sucks

 

[Slidey]

Fuck it's pretty clear this government hates the Internet. They don't really even bother trying to hide it now.

And I'm scared because I know Abbott is so batshit insane that he'll happily support Rudd's Internet censorship plan.

 

[*Minka*]

With the exception of child pornography, I am more offended by the idea of censorship than I am by anything they want to censor.

Whatever happened to the good old policy of "if you don't like it, don't look it up/watch it".

 

[Phoenix Fury]

With the exception of child pornography, I am more offended by the idea of censorship than I am by anything they want to censor.

Whatever happened to the good old policy of "if you don't like it, don't look it up/watch it".

May have already been said, and I may have +1'd it before but anyway

+1 (I also agree with the unbolded)

 

[I Study Hard]

Remind me to download porn before this goes through >.<;

 

[Bereie]

Remember that this filter also cannot stop the accessing/distribution of child porn one iota.

 

[Phoenix Fury]

How so? If it's blocking the sites its restricting the access/distribution of it as they need to find alternative ways to get it.

 

[Bereie]

Child porn is generally not found on websites. Go to google right now and search for "child porn", do you think you're going to find public websites where you can go, sign up and download images and videos?

Darknet (file sharing) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Private peer-to-peer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Virtual private network - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's the kind of shit people use to do the dirty, and the filter only blocks access to websites, not p2p or anything else. I have a suspicion that Conroy brought up child porn when he first announced this to get instant support from people who thought that this filter would stop people looking at it.

 

[SnowFox]

A kid cracked the first trial of the censorship program.


Im sorry but a CP hungry Neanderthal will most likely also crack it.

 

[Phoenix Fury]

Child porn is generally not found on websites. Go to google right now and search for "child porn", do you think you're going to find public websites where you can go, sign up and download images and videos?

Darknet (file sharing) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Private peer-to-peer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Virtual private network - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's the kind of shit people use to do the dirty, and the filter only blocks access to websites, not p2p or anything else. I have a suspicion that Conroy brought up child porn when he first announced this to get instant support from people who thought that this filter would stop people looking at it.

Ah yeh, that makes sense, and Conroy is a slimey bastard so of course that was his aim.

 

[Stringer Bell]

I think the majority of Australian Citizens support this initiative. For to long has the internet gone under the radar of common decency. I applaud Rudd and Conroy for their decisive action against Child Porn and its pushers. Books and films have to be classified and can be banned, why not the internet? Why do these online sickos get special treatment?? The only people apposed to these vile sites are those who have vested interests in the profits of this grotesque business. Rudds got my Vote.

 

[SnowFox]

I think the majority of Australian Citizens support this initiative. For to long has the internet gone under the radar of common decency. I applaud Rudd and Conroy for their decisive action against Child Porn and its pushers. Books and films have to be classified and can be banned, why not the internet? Why do these online sickos get special treatment?? The only people apposed to these vile sites are those who have vested interests in the profits of this grotesque business. Rudds got my Vote.

Whats this, your 6th account?

 

[Will Shakespear]

Child porn is generally not found on websites. Go to google right now and search for "child porn", do you think you're going to find public websites where you can go, sign up and download images and videos?

Darknet (file sharing) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Private peer-to-peer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Virtual private network - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's the kind of shit people use to do the dirty, and the filter only blocks access to websites, not p2p or anything else. I have a suspicion that Conroy brought up child porn when he first announced this to get instant support from people who thought that this filter would stop people looking at it.

YOU MUST ONLY KNOW THAT COZ U LOOK AT IT!!!!

/conroylogic

Aside from CP for a minute, I'm even moar pissed off about wanting to censor youtube from all RC content

It's like they want ABSOLUTE CONTROL over what we can see, i.e. make anything they call "RC" completely inaccessible in this country :O

 

[Stringer Bell]

Whats this, your 6th account?

First actually...Aren't you the sour cretin who wanted to unleash Phantasmagoria on Australia's children? I think you and your specious arguments have been thoroughly discredited.

 

[Bereie]

A kid cracked the first trial of the censorship program.


Im sorry but a CP hungry Neanderthal will most likely also crack it.

That was something completely different, it was a program hosted on the kid's local school computer. This one is hosted on the ISP's servers. Anyway, no CP hungry people will need to crack anything because they will still keep getting their CP from other sources that the filter won't be able to affect.

YO OMAR COMIN!!

 

[Graney]

Aside from CP for a minute, I'm even moar pissed off about wanting to censor youtube from all RC content

What content is RC on youtube?

The government states that they're just enforcing existing classification rules in censoring RC content on the internet. This is true. What remains shockingly unchallenged and unmentioned in this debate, is the legitimacy of what is and isn't considered RC content. Stuff like information on euthanasia and harm minimization content is RC in Australia, therefore banned in print, and will be censored under this filter.

An example would be Australian of the year finalist Philip Nitschke, and his book 'the peaceful pill' handbook. This book is RC in Australia due to its content, whereas it is freely available in bookstores in more enlightened nations such as New Zealand.

Currently you can view this book in full on 'google books', but according to the leaked blacklist, access to this resource will be prohibited.

Whatever you think about the right to euthanasia, individuals in a democracy should be able to debate and discuss this information.

RC is total bullshit in the first place, even when it was applied to print. This information never should have been declared RC in the first place. The debate about the internet filter is way too limited and closeted, it's missing the bigger picture that what we should be debating is the whole legitimacy and content of what is considered RC.

The stated purpose of classification is to reflect community standards and expectations. The government and classification board are not reflecting community standards when they refuse classification and public access to accurate scientific information on the harms and risks associated with euthanasia and drug use.

I really wouldn't have a huge problem with the filter if all it was censoring was child porn information, and this could be done effectively. But the proposed filter plan goes so far beyond this.

I don't think there's much public awareness out there about how information on euthanasia, harm minimization etc.., will be restricted under the internet filter, and those opposing the filter would be more successful if they tried to explain the filter in these terms and appeal to peoples value and respect for free speech regarding these issues.

 

[Graney]

On May 22, 2009 it was disclosed in the press, citing wikileaks.org, that the Australian Government had added the online Peaceful Pill Handbook (hosted at Publish Digital Magazines and More Online for Free | YUDU ) to the blacklist maintained by the Australian Communications and Media Authority used to filter internet access to citizens of Australia. Australian Communications Minister Stephen Conroy plans to introduce legislation just before the 2010 election to make internet service providers block a blacklist of "refused classification" websites. The blacklist is expected to include Exit's websites, inter alia.

Nitschke said the proposals were the "final nail in the coffin for euthanasia advocacy" in Australia, where people are banned from discussing end-of-life issues over the phone, buying books about it or importing printed material on it. "The one avenue we had open to us was the internet, and now it looks like it will be part of Conroy's grand plan to provide a so-called clean feed to Australia. It's outrageous."

 

[yayati]

lol the filter is a complete joke.

Even the filter in China is a joke. The proxy sites that kids use to circumvent firewalls in schools will work.

Contrary to media reports the filters are not sophisticated at all and only have a psychological effect at best. Sometimes the filter doesn't even work properly and you end up having legitimate sites blocked will harmful sites are accessable.

 

[jennyfromdabloc]

Not going to do another post about how crazy this is, its seems we can all agree.

I'm curious as to what labor think it will achieve by doing this. It has been hugely unpopular with business and the electorate at large. It is expensive and it won't work anyway.

Sure Conroy may be a cunt, but how has the party supported this policy? The only explanation I can think of is that most labor politicians are actually very socially conservative and really believe this is a good idea, since clearly they are not doing it to win popularity with voters or businesses.

 

[Serius]

Child porn is generally not found on websites. Go to google right now and search for "child porn", do you think you're going to find public websites where you can go, sign up and download images and videos?

Darknet (file sharing) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Private peer-to-peer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Virtual private network - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's the kind of shit people use to do the dirty, and the filter only blocks access to websites, not p2p or anything else. I have a suspicion that Conroy brought up child porn when he first announced this to get instant support from people who thought that this filter would stop people looking at it.

Exactly.

Conjob's arguments are so fucking infentile, its amazing. " the filter is to block child pornography, rape, bestiality, stuff like that!"
Yeah, it blocks RC stuff too. RC includes the grey realms of material instructing in any crime from graffiti[which is a valid art form that can be expressed in legal ways] to politically controversial crimes such as euthanasia. They would also block sites on safe drug use [eg erowid] annorexia websites, abortion..... what a fucking joke.

Conroy always gives the biggest ad hominem attacks as well, if someone disagrees with him he basically accuses them of being pro pedophile " you dont want the net to be filtered? you must be PRO PEDOPHILE! you want the children of australia to be RAPED! why do you not want to ban child porn? you are a sick individual!" [ he has never out right gone and said that, but he has implied it many times]

the media is even worse, i heard an interview on ABC radio where a caller rang it saying we have a right to free speech and to discuss controversial topics on the net, our grandparents fought and died for our rights ----[radio jokey cuts in now] " i dont think they died so you can see child porn mate!"

This is basically how every argument with these right wing fuck faces go.