Malcolm Turnball plunged back into the fray! (1 Viewer)

[scuba_steve2121]

You've equated Keynesianists (and moderate ones at that) with full blown socialists more times than I could count. It's very reassuring you do actually know there is a difference between Keynes and Marx but thats a far cry from knowing what either of them actually said.

Keynes wanted to save capitalism from socialist revolution, his methods of doing so would be considered that of huge government intervention something that produces the same outcome of socialism, poverty. his belief was that in times of high unemployment socialist revolutions occur. what he was trying to do back in the 30's was giving peoples jobs so America didn't fall into a socialist revolution. whether his methods were the right thing to do or were successful is a whole different subject.

little quote from Keynes to put your mind at ease

"Marxian Socialism must always remain a portent to the historians of Opinion — how a doctrine so illogical and so dull can have exercised so powerful and enduring an influence over the minds of men, and, through them, the events of history.” – John Maynard Keynes

interpret that as you will.

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[thongetsu]

i was hoping the thread title would read malcolm turnbull plunged into...prepetual motion/darkness!

 

[scuba_steve2121]

haha totally

 

[Lauchlan]

the quote still stands the 'future plans' you talk about is the intention. government can't operate in an efficient manner if their lives depended on it. the government puts itself above the economy and peoples lives thinking they know best. but its like a 4 year old putting a fork into a wall socket. he thinks he knows what hes doing but hes just gonna fuck himself over

again, i agree with you - but there has to be a measure of integrity when one compares both govts. im not saying having good intentions in the most efficient way, but it seems to be working with the australian public - in either case we will find out after the 2010 election.

 

[Lentern]

Keynes wanted to save capitalism from socialist revolution, his methods of doing so would be considered that of huge government intervention something that produces the same outcome of socialism, poverty. his belief was that in times of high unemployment socialist revolutions occur. what he was trying to do back in the 30's was giving peoples jobs so America didn't fall into a socialist revolution. whether his methods were the right thing to do or were successful is a whole different subject.

little quote from Keynes to put your mind at ease

"Marxian Socialism must always remain a portent to the historians of Opinion — how a doctrine so illogical and so dull can have exercised so powerful and enduring an influence over the minds of men, and, through them, the events of history.” – John Maynard Keynes

interpret that as you will.

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[scuba_steve2121]

again, i agree with you - but there has to be a measure of integrity when one compares both govts. im not saying having good intentions in the most efficient way, but it seems to be working with the australian public - in either case we will find out after the 2010 election.

what is exactly working with the Australian public?

 

[Lentern]

what is exactly working with the Australian public?

Taxation, spending, investing, building, living, eating, driving, buying, selling, producing, consuming, sustaining, supplying, demanding, growing, Keynes, government, regulation, economics.

 

[Lauchlan]

sorry when ever i talk about socialism, i overlook any good intentions they have and go straight to the outcomes of socialism, equal distribution of poverty.

however I'm open to listen to your interpretation of socialism

give examples of policies that have been implemented which support these claims.

 

[scuba_steve2121]

give examples of policies that have been implemented which support these claims.

if u mean what socialist polices government implements my answer is your fucking kidding right?

if u mean what examples are there of polices that government across the world regardless of whose in government have issued that have had the opposite of their intention there is like fucking 1000's of them.

 

[Teclis]

whats wrong with being right wing conservative over a left wing socialist?

aka would you rather high economic freedom with low social freedom or poverty with no social freedom

No he's a right wing nutter....

At-fault divorce return...

Complete opposition to embyronic stem-cell research which coming from a Christian is a dark ages view... you can't oppose Stem-Cell research without opposing IVF treatments... and you don't see them doing that... but seeing as they can't even use failed IVF implant stem cells, you have to wonder why they oppose it... Oh I know... because they're conservative right wing nutjobs...

He is a Climate Change skeptic... not a Global Warming sceptic... a CLIMATE CHANGE skeptic. When you disagree with a huge majority of the Scientific community, one could only describe you as a nutter.

 

[Chemical Ali]

sorry when ever i talk about socialism, i overlook any good intentions they have and go straight to the outcomes of socialism, equal distribution of poverty.

however I'm open to listen to your interpretation of socialism

or stfu

 

[Teclis]

I'm sorry but I have to ask something Scuba_Steve....

What is your opinion on Switzerland, Finland and Sweden... countries with some of the highest living standards in the world with some of the lowest rates of poverty... high amounts of wealth, and foreign investment capital... a very strong welfare system and high taxes...

 

[slugboy]

why is it that whenever im offline, the thread explodes?


also, good to see that scuba_steve is still alive and as full of conservative bias as usual

 

[scuba_steve2121]

why is it that whenever im offline, the thread explodes?


also, good to see that scuba_steve is still alive and as full of conservative bias as usual

anarcho-capitalist, how the fuck do i have conservative bias?

teclis i shall answer when i get home

 

[slugboy]

whats wrong with being right wing conservative over a left wing socialist?

you said it, not me.

 

[scuba_steve2121]

you said it, not me.

i said over a left wing socialist, being a libertarian trumps them both

 

[slugboy]

i said over a left wing socialist, being a libertarian trumps them both

enlighten me, what are the differences between the two?

 

[scuba_steve2121]

enlighten me, what are the differences between the two?

which two sorry?

 

[Lauchlan]

if u mean what socialist polices government implements my answer is your fucking kidding right?

if u mean what examples are there of polices that government across the world regardless of whose in government have issued that have had the opposite of their intention there is like fucking 1000's of them.

australian specific examples from the current govt - sheeesh

 

[Lauchlan]

why is it that whenever im offline, the thread explodes?

ftw

also, good to see that scuba_steve is still alive and as full of conservative bias as usual

ftl