Let's Agree to Disagree (2 Viewers)

[scuba_steve2121]

God exists, he created everything that we know to be bound by the laws of science yet preceded them therefore is not bound by the laws of science and cannot be validated by scientific testing.

wtf does god have to do with economics? if you are trying to change the subject because you are losing by pulling the religion card then epic fail to you

 

[Lentern]

wtf does god have to do with economics? if you are trying to change the subject because you are losing by pulling the religion card then epic fail to you

Again with the coy dumbness? You are dogmatic, so utterly deluded into this notion that nobody does it better than a completely free market that any argument to the contrary might as well be laid out before a brick wall.

 

[scuba_steve2121]

Again with the coy dumbness? You are dogmatic, so utterly deluded into this notion that nobody does it better than a completely free market that any argument to the contrary might as well be laid out before a brick wall.

well so far nothing is better for society then the free market. look at America worlds greatest example of how regulations fuck up capitalism. do you honestly believe that most regulations out there don't do more harm then good? and if i say something contrary to you arguement and your beliefs in how capitalism should work you dismiss me. so why shouldn't i just do the same?

 

[Slidey]

well so far nothing is better for society then the free market. look at America worlds greatest example of how regulations fuck up capitalism. do you honestly believe that most regulations out there don't do more harm then good? and if i say something contrary to you arguement and your beliefs in how capitalism should work you dismiss me. so why shouldn't i just do the same?

Not that I disagree with you exactly, but let me put that question back to you: do you believe that we should have no regulation at all? I guess I'm asking: is there a place in your ideology for evidence-based regulation?

 

[Lentern]

well so far nothing is better for society then the free market. look at America worlds greatest example of how regulations fuck up capitalism. do you honestly believe that most regulations out there don't do more harm then good? and if i say something contrary to you arguement and your beliefs in how capitalism should work you dismiss me. so why shouldn't i just do the same?

The United States is not nearly as regulated or taxed as Germany, Sweden, Norway, Australia or New Zealand all of which have faired remarkably well by comparison during this economic crisis.

 

[Debauchee]

The United States is not nearly as regulated or taxed as Germany, Sweden, Norway, Australia or New Zealand all of which have faired remarkably well by comparison during this economic crisis.

never mind the fact that the government made the banks give out bad loans...yeah totally free market there

 

[Lentern]

never mind the fact that the government made the banks give out bad loans...yeah totally free market there

Permitted, in a well regulated economy those banks wouldn't have been allowed to give out those loans and we would have all been better for it.

 

[scuba_steve2121]

Not that I disagree with you exactly, but let me put that question back to you: do you believe that we should have no regulation at all? I guess I'm asking: is there a place in your ideology for evidence-based regulation?

in believe in AC so no government however in all seriousness if something like this was going to be done i would try a minarchy first meaning very minimal government with taxes as low as like 3% just to run stuff like police emergency services fire ses water supply etc and of course defensive and possibly run roads.

but regulations would be kept so low, list of government regulations could be reduced to one page instead of the 100's of pages we have now.

most important thing would be if i could not get any regulations removed at all. for the love of society just abolish the fed

 

[Debauchee]

Permitted, in a well regulated economy those banks wouldn't have been allowed to give out those loans and we would have all been better for it.

no, these banks didn't want to make the loans but Jimmy Carter being the insane leftist that he is thought that making the banks make bad loans would help them the poor own their own homes

 

[Debauchee]

Not that I disagree with you exactly, but let me put that question back to you: do you believe that we should have no regulation at all? I guess I'm asking: is there a place in your ideology for evidence-based regulation?

there are an very small number of instances where regulation could be beneficial, but in the vast majority of cases regulations erect barriers to entry and allow big, established corporations subvert the free market and have artificially low competition.
It is impossible to keep government small, and so if you start off with the "good" regulations it will ALWAYS grow to the bad regulations, ALWAYS. And so teh solution is the removal of the state. Or at teh very least seperation of state and economy

 

[Slidey]

in believe in AC so no government however in all seriousness if something like this was going to be done i would try a minarchy first meaning very minimal government with taxes as low as like 3% just to run stuff like police emergency services fire ses water supply etc and of course defensive and possibly run roads.

but regulations would be kept so low, list of government regulations could be reduced to one page instead of the 100's of pages we have now.

most important thing would be if i could not get any regulations removed at all. for the love of society just abolish the fed

I'm part of the SES. The government doesn't fund us. The local councils do through rates.

Fucking government. Wait what.

 

[Slidey]

no, these banks didn't want to make the loans but Jimmy Carter being the insane leftist that he is thought that making the banks make bad loans would help them the poor own their own homes

What the fuck dude? Jimmy Carter, seriously? It was the Clinton and Bush administrations who were responsible.

 

[scuba_steve2121]

What the fuck dude? Jimmy Carter, seriously? It was the Clinton and Bush administrations who were responsible.

yea i was gonna say......

 

[pman]

I don't know much about american politics but from what i've heard, the government didn't hold a gun to the bankers heads and say "give out these loans", they did it of their own volition

 

[scuba_steve2121]

I don't know much about american politics but from what i've heard, the government didn't hold a gun to the bankers heads and say "give out these loans", they did it of their own volition

nah it wasn't guns it was give out these loans or ill fine you TONS OF MONEY MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA and if you don't then i shall pull out the guns XD

 

[pman]

nah it wasn't guns it was give out these loans or ill fine you TONS OF MONEY MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA and if you don't then i shall pull out the guns XD

do we have any sources for this?

 

[scuba_steve2121]

do we have any sources for this?

this is very general knowledge but ill see what i can do

 

[Lentern]

do we have any sources for this?

Andrew Bolts blog.

 

[pman]

Andrew Bolts blog.

I don't think a blog actually counts as a reliable source....I've never heard anything about legislation forcing them to give out bad loans, i have heard an outcry about how they were irresponsible to do so

 

[zombie omie jay]

sigh


scubastevo, water etc is run by private companies or local council paif for by rates and water use fees or connection fees etc so it could easily be privatised


roads could be privatised for sure. emergency services i dont know.

police could be privatised. existing to ensure personal liberty is not infringed (and to punish this by infringing on personal liberty obvs)