Dear lefties, Rudd is a CRIMINAL who has BETRAYED you (2 Viewers)

[jennyfromdabloc]

To those young people and left wing minded people who thought Rudd would be a progressive, how do you feel about the fact that he has:

-Plans to implement mandatory internet censorship
-Failed to remove Australian troops from the middle east.
-Failed to change or even discuss changes to Australia's drastically increased police powers implemented by Howard.
-Made no effort to change Australia's cruel and expensive policy of mandatory detention of asylum seekers. (Note: Department of Immigration is rejecting applications for asylum at a higher rate under Rudd than it was under Howard).
-Has not even mentioned liberalization of drug laws despite the progress being made in Europe and the US.
-Openly opposes same sex marriage, and rights to adoption and IVF for same sex couples.

Lefties loved to bag out Howard as socially conservative and wanting to bring Australia back to the 1950s, however Rudd has maintained or expanded all the socially conservative policies of the Howard era, and in addition plans implement an internet filtering system that would place Australia amongst the most authoritarian regimes on earth!

 

[scuba_steve2121]

well derr who voted for him for being a socially left guy?

people voted for him because of work choices and his hatred of climate change

i thought everybody knew he was socially conservative?

 

[Lauchlan]

To those young people and left wing minded people who thought Rudd would be a progressive, how do you feel about the fact that he has:

-Plans to implement mandatory internet censorship thats not on the agenda any time soon.
-Failed to remove Australian troops from the middle east. source? or are you just asuming?
-Failed to change or even discuss changes to Australia's drastically increased police powers implemented by Howard. that wasnt a promise nor will it happen.
-Made no effort to change Australia's cruel and expensive policy of mandatory detention of asylum seekers. (Note: Department of Immigration is rejecting applications for asylum at a higher rate under Rudd than it was under Howard). neither gov't has gotten that right in my eyes.
-Has not even mentioned liberalization of drug laws despite the progress being made in Europe and the US. again, not a promise nor on the agenda for his first term.
-Openly opposes same sex marriage, and rights to adoption and IVF for same sex couples. so? most politicians share this view! you are just stating the opinions of the liberal opposition as well!

Lefties loved to bag out Howard as socially conservative and wanting to bring Australia back to the 1950s, however Rudd has maintained or expanded all the socially conservative policies of the Howard era, and in addition plans implement an internet filtering system that would place Australia amongst the most authoritarian regimes on earth!

you failed in making a good argument, nor did you back it up anyways.

 

[jennyfromdabloc]

you failed in making a good argument, nor did you back it up anyways.

My argument was that he is not a progressive. That's all I argued. I never claimed that he broke election promises.

 

[Chemical Ali]

Rudd is corrupt as hell

His 'jobs for the boys' pouring taxpayers money into building rorts is nothing short of criminal

 

[Jazuzi]

you failed in making a good argument, nor did you back it up anyways.

lol

 

[Slidey]

My argument was that he is not a progressive. That's all I argued.

True.

I never claimed that he broke election promises.

But he did.

 

[jennyfromdabloc]

But he did.

I know, but this thread is not about that. If I was to talk about all the terrible things Rudd has done I could be typing forever.

 

[Lauchlan]

My argument was that he is not a progressive. That's all I argued. I never claimed that he broke election promises.

hes only been in office for almost one term. jesus christ look at his time in office in context to the previous gov't who were in for a decade or so. i dont think you'll find they were "progressive" after their first term either.

and dont act all 'i didnt accuse rudd of anything' because your thread calls his a crimal and a betrayer. again, you have a pretty pathetic argument here.

 

[BigBoyJames__]

hes only been in office for almost one term. jesus christ look at his time in office in context to the previous gov't who were in for a decade or so. i dont think you'll find they were "progressive" after their first term either.

and dont act all 'i didnt accuse rudd of anything' because your thread calls his a crimal and a betrayer. again, you have a pretty pathetic argument here.

stfu you fucking left wing communist bastard. omg only one term, im sick of this fucking Jewish argument. how many more fuck up does this cunt need to make for you to witness that he is an authoritarian, reformed Marxist scum?

 

[jennyfromdabloc]

and dont act all 'i didnt accuse rudd of anything' because your thread calls his a crimal and a betrayer. again, you have a pretty pathetic argument here.

He is a criminal in the libertarian sense of the word. He has committed crimes against people by authorizing violence against them, and the theft of their property.

Of course, the legal sense of the word that states that a criminal is anyone who doesn't follow the laws of the government would hold that Nelson Mandella was a criminal and Mao was a law abider.

 

[badquinton304]

True. Rudd is not very progressive, but I do also think that some of the less progressive policies were at least partially motivated by populist aspirations.
The problem is that Canberra (labor or liberal), tends to be on a very different wavelength socially than the Australian population.

 

[katie tully]

rudd sux

 

[-Lemon-]

He is a criminal in the libertarian sense of the word. He has committed crimes against people by authorizing violence against them, and the theft of their property.

Incorrect.
In the 'libertarian' world there are no laws to break, thus one cannot be a criminal.

Just take rural Somalia for example, it's one of the most libertarian countries in the world. The government has little to no role in peoples lives, there is no social security, there is no 'government interference' in the 'free market', in fact the entire society is governed by these 'free market' forces you worship.

Now if someone in Somalia decides to go and murder a family and acquire there house and land, one cannot label them a criminal without appealing to, and projecting onto them, the laws of a foreign country. In the eyes of the 'free market' they are perfectly rational utility maximizes, and their actions are perfectly efficient.

I say no to this, the libertarian doctrine is academically outdated and morally repulsive.
So you have two options, stay in 'big-goverment' Australia, or go and live in 'free market' Somalia.
I think I know which one you deadbeats will choose.
Hypocrites.

 

[BigBoyJames__]

incorrect.
In the 'libertarian' world there are no laws to break, thus one cannot be a criminal. .

fucking stupid cunt

 

[57o1i]

To those young people and left wing minded people who thought Rudd would be a progressive, how do you feel about the fact that he has:

-Plans to implement mandatory internet censorship
-Failed to remove Australian troops from the middle east.
-Failed to change or even discuss changes to Australia's drastically increased police powers implemented by Howard.
-Made no effort to change Australia's cruel and expensive policy of mandatory detention of asylum seekers. (Note: Department of Immigration is rejecting applications for asylum at a higher rate under Rudd than it was under Howard).
-Has not even mentioned liberalization of drug laws despite the progress being made in Europe and the US.
-Openly opposes same sex marriage, and rights to adoption and IVF for same sex couples.

Lefties loved to bag out Howard as socially conservative and wanting to bring Australia back to the 1950s, however Rudd has maintained or expanded all the socially conservative policies of the Howard era, and in addition plans implement an internet filtering system that would place Australia amongst the most authoritarian regimes on earth!

Except our only real alternative is Tony "abortion is a national tragedy and hey, how about a return to the at-fault divorce system? BTW UNEMPLOYED TO THE MINES!" Abbott. I'm not happy with either option (hence Greens) but the fact is that someone will be in charge and I'd rather it not be Abbott.

 

[Lauchlan]

stfu you fucking left wing communist bastard. omg only one term, im sick of this fucking Jewish argument. how many more fuck up does this cunt need to make for you to witness that he is an authoritarian, reformed Marxist scum?

remove all the bolded words and you get a comment with a little more integrity than that load of poo you call produced.

and in answering your comment - no, i will not stfu

 

[Lauchlan]

He is a criminal in the libertarian sense of the word. He has committed crimes against people by authorizing violence against them, and the theft of their property.

Of course, the legal sense of the word that states that a criminal is anyone who doesn't follow the laws of the government would hold that Nelson Mandella was a criminal and Mao was a law abider.

give example where he directly did the bolded.

might i remind you that its not the minister for transport's fault for every death on the road. think about that.

 

[BigBoyJames__]

remove all the bolded words and you get a comment with a little more integrity than that load of poo you call produced.

and in answering your comment - no, i will not stfu

oh fuck you.

fucking incoherent sack of jew.

 

[Lauchlan]

incorrect.
In the 'libertarian' world there are no laws to break, thus one cannot be a criminal.

Just take rural somalia for example, it's one of the most libertarian countries in the world. The government has little to no role in peoples lives, there is no social security, there is no 'government interference' in the 'free market', in fact the entire society is governed by these 'free market' forces you worship.

Now if someone in somalia decides to go and murder a family and acquire there house and land, one cannot label them a criminal without appealing to, and projecting onto them, the laws of a foreign country. In the eyes of the 'free market' they are perfectly rational utility maximizes, and their actions are perfectly efficient.

I say no to this, the libertarian doctrine is academically outdated and morally repulsive.
So you have two options, stay in 'big-goverment' australia, or go and live in 'free market' somalia.
I think i know which one you deadbeats will choose.
Hypocrites.

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