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Analysing a source about Trench Warfare, I am not sure exactly what this quote means "A man wants to be strong in the back and weak in the head to make a good infantryman"

The soldier is carrying lots of equipment and once he's been walking for miles he says this quote. Then afterwards he is being attacked by the enemy

If you any idea, please help! thanks so much
 

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Analysing a source about Trench Warfare, I am not sure exactly what this quote means "A man wants to be strong in the back and weak in the head to make a good infantryman"

The soldier is carrying lots of equipment and once he's been walking for miles he says this quote. Then afterwards he is being attacked by the enemy

If you any idea, please help! thanks so much
Thats tough - I'd intepret that as being a man must have a lot of courage to be an infantryman (strong in the back) but not a lot of thoughts or intelligence. This is probably alluding to the costly practice of attempting to storm enemy trenches by entering no mans land. But I'm not to sure - could you post the source, maybe it will give more info.
 

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Thank you so much! This was my first post ever and happy someone replied!

Well the source is around 3/4 of a page on paper so it's quite long. But I can sort of put it all in...

We're a strange looking crowd. Each man wears a wet greatcoat over which is buckled his equipment... onto our equipment hangs a water bottle, bayonet, entrenching too and handle, whilst on our chests we wear our gas respirator bulged out over 100 and twenty rounds of ammunition... six handbags are rolled and strapped above the haversacks whilst under it hangs a wet blanket neatly rolled into a heavy ball of dead weight....we are lucky we aren't carrying bags of bombs and picks and spades as well. a few miles we realise the truth of darky's saying (quote)

On tthrough the mud. away in front, enemy flares sweep up, burst, scribe a circular luminous sweep and drop on eart...the flares are on three sides of us. we always seem to be approaching the centre of horseshow of firweorks. as we near the line, the flares mount higher above the horizon which is marked by the belching sheet of flames of firing guns or the quick stabbing flame flowers from bursting shells...

the source is by an Australian soldier ; Somme Mud: the war experiences of an australian infrantyman in france
 

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I'd probably still say it has to do with a trench raid. The last part of the quote sounds like a rolling artillery barrage which often preceeded men going over the trenches (this was the signature action of General Haig and pretty much the whole British army).
 

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What the quote is saying is that to be a good soldier you need to have tough and strong shoulders, back, and core body strength to carry all your gear and to 'grunt' through it and to be not bright enough to question your orders or to use your common sense to realise and voice out that trench warfare and the tactics being employed are stupid. That's why riflemen (infantrymen) are nicknamed 'grunts' in English speaking armies. In all armies and through the ages of warfare, one of the main facets of the life of an infantryman is to carry very huge loads on your back and to march (it's known in the infantry as 'tabbing' or 'yomping') very long distances. That's one of the main things the infantry does and trains for regularly as it is a crucial skill to master. Fitness, and physical and mental toughness are very important to be a good rifleman. In the army, if you are an enlisted man or woman you never question your orders from your superiors, no matter how retarded they may seem. You must always follow them and in the armed forces you are inculcated this idea. Insubordination, even if it is bleeding obvious that that's the most rational path to achieving an objective or to save lives must never be done and the effects of this could be fatal to an army, as your questioning of orders may delay your unit's part in a synchronised attack on the enemy and thus increases the likelihood of the mission to fail. It also costs the loss of needless lives lost in an attack that could have been succeeded, but didn't due to the lack of support from your unit that was delayed from your remonstrations to your commanding officer. That's explains why you need to be 'weak in the head to be a good infantryman'. In a nutshell, the quote is saying that to be a good soldier you need to be tough and to be resilient to pain and to always follow orders from your superiors, no matter how silly they may seem to you.

'The physical demands are extreme. All of the combat necessities such as ammunition, weapon systems, food and clothing and shelter are literally carried on the backs of the infantrymen. Combat loads of 80lbs are common and greater loads in excess of 100lbs are not unheard of. [1] These heavy loads, combined with long forced foot marches and patrols of up to 25 miles a day, in any climate from 110 degree heat, to -20 degree cold, there is no escape from the elements, ensure the development of strong bonds and mutual respect between infantrymen, in and out of the armed services. [2]

Despite these extreme physical demands, an infantryman is expected and highly trained to continue on with the mission despite personal fear, despair, fatigue and injury. This is exemplified in the United States Army by an excerpt from the infantryman's creed

In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous; Armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country's trust. Always I fight on: through the foe, to the objective, to triumph over all. If necessary, I fight to my death.
[4]

United States Army Rangers, a specialised light infantry, have their own Ranger Creed that demands faithful service from the infantryman even "...though I be the lone survivor."

Though the skill of infantry has no direct civilian correlation, valuable life skills that cannot be taught in any classroom, such as discipline, courage, team work, initiative, loyalty, trust, empathy, stress management, "lead by example" leadership, as well as many others contribute to the success that many face in the civilian world regardless of occupation.'


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infantry

It is unlikely that the quote has to do with a trench raid as trench raids were usually done with the lightest and necessary of gear possible. nothing superfluous or unnecessary was carried. The purpose of a trench raid was generally to disrupt the enemy, to collect intelligence that might be useful for your side, and to reconnaissance the enemy's position, defences, firepower, manpower, and readiness for a future possible attack in the area. It wasn't to gain territory as a small party of men would be massacred and overrun very quickly in the German trenches when it hit daylight. So, all that was usually carried by the one of the soldiers of the trench raiding party on a raid was pliers to cut the barbed wire, an SMLE rifle (revolvers for officers in the British Army or Luger pistols for those enlisted men lucky enough to capture one or to steal one from a German POW) and Mills bombs and as much ammunition as possible. Empty bags would also be carried to put the captured enemy material in.

Also, rolling barrages were only done in large offensives from 1916 onwards and not done for a trench raid as it would alert the enemy of your incoming presence. Trench raids required stealth, speed, momentum, surprise, and the violence of action to succeed and were only carried out by small parties of men.

In my opinion, the quote probably has to do with Aussie infantrymen coming up to the forward trench line for an offensive early tomorrow morning. Seeing that the quote is from a Digger's recollections of the Somme, most likely the quote is from a Digger of the Australian 1st Division about to mount the first Australian action on the Somme at a place called Pozières. This probably explains why he has written about all that heavy gear needed to occupy an enemy trench that they carried with them and the heavy bombardment before the attack (the AUS 1st Division attacked Pozières at 12.30am on 23 July, 1916).

Sorry for the prolix post.
 

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No need to be sorry, the post was very helpful!

Thank you both, I am understanding the quote much better now, just one quick question!

The whole last paragraph that I typed - "on through the mud....flames of firing guns or the quicker stabbing flame from bursting shells", does that mean they are being attacked by the enemy? I am not exactly sure.

And is it correct, when they ask 'when refering to a source and your konwledge, explain how the nature of trench warfare and life in trenches affected the changing attitudes of allied and german soldiers' it's not necesary to talk about usefulness and reliability right? And is it wrong to say "quote" this quote is suggesting blah blah, like in english? I'm not sure how to word it right.

thanks for the help again :)
 

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No need to be sorry, the post was very helpful!

Thank you both, I am understanding the quote much better now, just one quick question!

The whole last paragraph that I typed - "on through the mud....flames of firing guns or the quicker stabbing flame from bursting shells", does that mean they are being attacked by the enemy? I am not exactly sure.

And is it correct, when they ask 'when refering to a source and your konwledge, explain how the nature of trench warfare and life in trenches affected the changing attitudes of allied and german soldiers' it's not necesary to talk about usefulness and reliability right? And is it wrong to say "quote" this quote is suggesting blah blah, like in english? I'm not sure how to word it right.

thanks for the help again :)
You only discuss usefulness and reliability if asked. This question is asking about the nature of trench warfare and how soldiers attitudes changed towards it - so dont go off topic. Going off topic or failing to answer the question is one of the main mistakes made by modern students. You can quote from the text like in english.
 

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thank you!!! I just wanted to clarify that
 

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