Does God exist? (13 Viewers)

[Annihilist]

People who are completely innocent and have committed no sin, often endure immense suffering.

Other people who consistently commit sin, may have relatively little suffering in their lives.

What you're suggesting isn't played out in reality, suffering happens regardless of how good or bad a person is, it's unequal and unfairly distributed.

Job.

 

[RANK 1]

Just saw this on facebook. y do people do dis then say it's a quote from somebody who obviously didn't say it Don't do dis, ever.

the students answer is kinda flawed as being omnipresent and ubiquitous is a facet of God

 

[Bored_of_HSC]

We just have to have faith in God, as He wants us to trust Him.

Why does he want us to "trust" and worship him in the first place? What need does he have of us?

It's almost as though he's envious, lustful, greedy, prideful, and gluttonous (amongst his wrath)

 

[planino]

Why should I trust Him? Why is He the ultimate judge on what is "sin" and what is "good"? Why is He right beyond questionability?

I don't trust him. He's a narcissistic prick.

I was prepared to label you a troll for a moment.

Do you think terrorists should get away with what they do? Do you think they can get away with what they do? Eventually, they wont (either in this life or the next - I believe in the cycle of birth and death). God will deal with them, in some way or the other - it's only fair as many millions of innocent lives had been lost. Terrorists need to be penalised for their wrong doings. I understand that that many terrorists are misguided, and so does God. He'll work out the perfect balance. You've gotta trust Him. God works for our benefit (believe it, or not) and whatever he does WITH US, we shouldn't question as we have to realise it's for our overall good. Why do we face the problems we do? So we can become more empathetic and aware of our actions so we don't INTENTIONALLY commit sinful activities in the future.

As a child, your mother or father may have, for example, stopped you from eating too much chocolate. At that time (let's say you were 2) what would have known about chocolate? You would have thought (from experience) that it's delicious (assuming you liked choc). When your parents stopped you from devouring the 5th cadbury bar, you would have been angered, as the delicious taste of chocolate is being taken away from you. Your parents however knew a lot more about chocolate than you (from experience etc.). They would have known that excessive amounts would have e.g. caused you painful toothaches.

More importantly however, they took it away from you not because they hate you, not because they're 'nacissistic pricks', but because they love you. Why would they want you to get a painful toothache that would make you cry? Seeing you in pain would have pained them as well. Therefore they took away the cadbury, knowing that you'd cry or sulk over it for a few minutes (or hours depending on how much you love chocolate) but they had saved you from a much more serious long term consequence, because they love you. The cliched saying 'short term gain, long term pain' applies here.

This parental love analogy can be extracted to the logic behind God's decision making. This is why we should trust him. With your two other questions, we must simply have faith in the fact that he's superior, that he's real

Now, with regard to the misfortune of others, we should help them, not blame God (or them). Whatever they may have done is none of our business.
What are your reasons for thinking about God the way you do? Please answer this question of mine

 

[lolcakes52]

AL-RIGHTY HERE GOES ALL MY KNOWLEDGE OF COSMOLOGY AND PHYSICS. The big bang model is a consequence what we observe in the current universe; the universe is expanding and it seems it has been doing so for some time but it has finite size. Therefore the universe began, or was at some stage in the past, extremely hot and dense and almost the size of a point. We adopt this viewpoint as a result of Occam's razor. Nothing is said about the universe being created. It may not have been started, ever. Time has no direction so a beginning could equally be an end, as no frame of reference is better than another, even in time.

Currently the belief is that if you where to travel to the beginning of the universe, time becomes more of a fourth spacial dimension, due to the average energy density of the universe at this stage. So there may have never been a beginning of the universe.

But honestly, religion is not a bad thing, it does give morality to people sometimes! I choose not to believe in god or any higher power because i believe that humans have explained the universe better than any religious text has. I am an atheist and an agnostic. Agnostics believe that the its is impossible to know whether a higher power exists and I am one because I believe that the abstract and illusive nature of any supposed "god" makes it impossible to answer the question. Its like asking how purple is justice? and expecting a reasonable answer even though the question is ridiculous.

 

[RANK 1]

Do you think terrorists should get away with what they do? Do you think they can get away with what they do? Eventually, they wont (either in this life or the next - I believe in the cycle of birth and death). God will deal with them, in some way or the other - it's only fair as many millions of innocent lives had been lost. Terrorists need to be penalised for their wrong doings. I understand that that many terrorists are misguided, and so does God. He'll work out the perfect balance. You've gotta trust Him. God works for our benefit (believe it, or not) and whatever he does WITH US, we shouldn't question as we have to realise it's for our overall good. Why do we face the problems we do? So we can become more empathetic and aware of our actions so we don't INTENTIONALLY commit sinful activities in the future.

As a child, your mother or father may have, for example, stopped you from eating too much chocolate. At that time (let's say you were 2) what would have known about chocolate? You would have thought (from experience) that it's delicious (assuming you liked choc). When your parents stopped you from devouring the 5th cadbury bar, you would have been angered, as the delicious taste of chocolate is being taken away from you. Your parents however knew a lot more about chocolate than you (from experience etc.). They would have known that excessive amounts would have e.g. caused you painful toothaches.

More importantly however, they took it away from you not because they hate you, not because they're 'nacissistic pricks', but because they love you. Why would they want you to get a painful toothache that would make you cry? Seeing you in pain would have pained them as well. Therefore they took away the cadbury, knowing that you'd cry or sulk over it for a few minutes (or hours depending on how much you love chocolate) but they had saved you from a much more serious long term consequence, because they love you. The cliched saying 'short term gain, long term pain' applies here.

This parental love analogy can be extracted to the logic behind God's decision making. This is why we should trust him. With your two other questions, we must simply have faith in the fact that he's superior, that he's real

Now, with regard to the misfortune of others, we should help them, not blame God (or them). Whatever they may have done is none of our business.
What are your reasons for thinking about God the way you do? Please answer this question of mine

well my thoughts on why bad things happen in the universe is "shit happens, deal with it"

also you sound delusional and the whole being punished for your previous life makes no sense whatsoever as you don't remember any of your previous life and therefore by punishing you for something you don't even remember is just silly, you might as well be punished for another persons wrong doing.

same thing with reincarnation, if you're not going to remember this life when you get reborn then you might as well as have died permanently thus making reincarnation pointless.

and for me to relate to god in some way, i have to first acknowledge that he exists(which i don't),

 

[RANK 1]

well my thoughts on why bad things happen in the universe is "shit happens, deal with it"

also you sound delusional and the whole being punished for your previous life makes no sense whatsoever as you don't remember any of your previous life and therefore by punishing you for something you don't even remember is just silly, you might as well be punished for another persons wrong doing.

same thing with reincarnation, if you're not going to remember this life when you get reborn then you might as well as have died permanently thus making reincarnation pointless.

and for me to relate to god in some way, i have to first acknowledge that he exists(which i don't),

also in response to your analogy, its kinda flawed as when a parent takes away your chocolate, they do so before you get a painful toothache as to avert it. however according to you, god on the other hand would take away the chocolate after you get a toothache and not only that he also punishes you for not knowing that the chocolate causes toothaches.

 

[planino]

People who are completely innocent and have committed no sin, often endure immense suffering.

Other people who consistently commit sin, may have relatively little suffering in their lives.

What you're suggesting isn't played out in reality, suffering happens regardless of how good or bad a person is, it's unequal and unfairly distributed.

by definition these "completely innocent" people you talk about must have sinned to have deserved such material suffering.

and the chronic sinner suffers the most

flawless logic. checkmate.

I believe in the cycle of birth and death, so here is my response from that perspective:
When a person dies, they takes birth again and all sins that haven't been neutralised have been transferred into their next birth. In this next birth, the person may be a darling, but seem to suffer a lot due to their excess sins being neutralised from previous birth(s)

 

[RANK 1]

AL-RIGHTY HERE GOES ALL MY KNOWLEDGE OF COSMOLOGY AND PHYSICS. The big bang model is a consequence what we observe in the current universe; the universe is expanding and it seems it has been doing so for some time but it has finite size. Therefore the universe began, or was at some stage in the past, extremely hot and dense and almost the size of a point. We adopt this viewpoint as a result of Occam's razor. Nothing is said about the universe being created. It may not have been started, ever. Time has no direction so a beginning could equally be an end, as no frame of reference is better than another, even in time.

Currently the belief is that if you where to travel to the beginning of the universe, time becomes more of a fourth spacial dimension, due to the average energy density of the universe at this stage. So there may have never been a beginning of the universe.

But honestly, religion is not a bad thing, it does give morality to people sometimes! I choose not to believe in god or any higher power because i believe that humans have explained the universe better than any religious text has. I am an atheist and an agnostic. Agnostics believe that the its is impossible to know whether a higher power exists and I am one because I believe that the abstract and illusive nature of any supposed "god" makes it impossible to answer the question. Its like asking how purple is justice? and expecting a reasonable answer even though the question is ridiculous.

people should be able to form their own morality

also cant be both an agnostic and an atheist

 

[RANK 1]

I believe in the cycle of birth and death, so here is my response from that perspective:
When a person dies, they takes birth again and all sins that haven't been neutralised have been transferred into their next birth. In this next birth, the person may be a darling, but seem to suffer a lot due to their excess sins being neutralised from previous birth(s)

being punished for your previous life makes no sense whatsoever as you don't remember any of your previous life and therefore by punishing you for something you don't even remember is just silly, you might as well be punished for another persons wrong doing.

.

 

[lolcakes52]

But if there is a reincarnation cycle, how can the population be rising?

 

[RANK 1]

goddamnit stop ignoring me

 

[Bored_of_HSC]

also you sound delusional and the whole being punished for your previous life makes no sense whatsoever as you don't remember any of your previous life and therefore by punishing you for something you don't even remember is just silly, you might as well be punished for another persons wrong doing.

I'm not *disagreeing* with you. I've just thought this is a little problematic.
By that logic would a felon who didn't remember doing his crime be considered innocent?

I believe arguement should be you NEVER actually did that shit, not remember doing it. (though that's hard to prove ect)

 

[planino]

well my thoughts on why bad things happen in the universe is "shit happens, deal with it"

also you sound delusional and the whole being punished for your previous life makes no sense whatsoever as you don't remember any of your previous life and therefore by punishing you for something you don't even remember is just silly, you might as well be punished for another persons wrong doing.

same thing with reincarnation, if you're not going to remember this life when you get reborn then you might as well as have died permanently thus making reincarnation pointless.

and for me to relate to god in some way, i have to first acknowledge that he exists(which i don't),

We don't remember our previous lives, but God does. He'll make all necessary arrangements and neutralise all excess sins fairly. If anyone thinks that God may take advantage of this forgetfulness of ours by punishing us for more than we've committed, what's he got to gain? Why would he be unfair if he loves us?

 

[planino]

Why does he want us to "trust" and worship him in the first place? What need does he have of us?

It's almost as though he's envious, lustful, greedy, prideful, and gluttonous (amongst his wrath)

All pleasure we derive from this world is temporary. Permanent happiness is only present up there in Heaven with Him. He wants us to trust and worship Him because he wants us to be happy in heaven with Him. He doesn't have any need of us, that's the beauty of it. He's doing it all selflessly out of love for us, since He knows that we'll be happy in heaven with Him.

We only get reincarnated over and over again because one lifetime isn't enough to neutralise all sins.

 

[Bored_of_HSC]

We don't remember our previous lives, but God does. He'll make all necessary arrangements and neutralise all excess sins fairly. If anyone thinks that God may take advantage of this forgetfulness of ours by punishing us for more than we've committed, what's he got to gain? Why would he be unfair if he loves us?

Lol it's not our fault. If it's anyones it's him.

Why would he not want to show us why he's punishing us for? M8...

 

[planino]

goddamnit stop ignoring me

Studying for 3U exam + trying to reply to everybody + Mum who comes into check on me every 15 mins can result in delayed responses. Sorry

 

[planino]

Lol it's not our fault. If it's anyones it's him.

Why would he not want to show us why he's punishing us for? M8...

That's the true test of faith, that we can still trust God midst all misfortunes

 

[Bored_of_HSC]

All pleasure we derive from this world is temporary. Permanent happiness is only present up there in Heaven with Him. He wants us to trust and worship Him because he wants us to be happy in heaven with Him. He doesn't have any need of us, that's the beauty of it. He's doing it all selflessly out of love for us, since He knows that we'll be happy in heaven with Him.

We only get reincarnated over and over again because one lifetime isn't enough to neutralise all sins.

Yes but how does worshipping him make us happier? Wouldn't he jsut want everyone to life "good lives"? (which for non-believers is an abstract concept)

 

[RANK 1]

I'm not *disagreeing* with you. I've just thought this is a little problematic.
By that logic would a felon who didn't remember doing his crime be considered innocent?

I believe arguement should be you NEVER actually did that shit, not remember doing it. (though that's hard to prove ect)

hes not innocent but it'll be kind of pointless punishing him because the main purpose of punishing someone is to make them scared to do it again.