Is B.Pharm a good place to start if I want to find cures for diseases? (3 Viewers)

[Riproot]

Yeah sorry if I was rude. I just heard from alot of people saying you troll and say unecessary stuff to turn down people's morals. Anyway I guess I was mistaken.

Hows job prospects for medical science like?

Lol, but I do, I'm not going to say the world is made of rainbows and smiles and do what you want forever and live off sunshine for the rest of your life because that just isn't true, some people on here actually need to be told what they're doing it terrible and to wake up, smell the shit, and sort shit out.

Honestly, I don't think they are great.
I think if you wanna do research into diseases and shiz though, your best bet is to do BMedSc or BSc(Adv) and major in Histology, Immunology, and stuff like that.
Although, I would recommend MedSc more because then you can get away with not doing too well in a few units here and there in second year (because it's so competitive) and then doing well in regular science units for a major in third year, whereas, if you did Bsc(Adv) then you have to keep getting distinctions and above throughout your degree to stay in your course otherwise you'll get kicked down to regular science with the plebs and that might not look desirable on a graduation certificate or whatevs.

 

[sghguos]

Lol, but I do, I'm not going to say the world is made of rainbows and smiles and do what you want forever and live off sunshine for the rest of your life because that just isn't true, some people on here actually need to be told what they're doing it terrible and to wake up, smell the shit, and sort shit out.

Honestly, I don't think they are great.
I think if you wanna do research into diseases and shiz though, your best bet is to do BMedSc or BSc(Adv) and major in Histology, Immunology, and stuff like that.
Although, I would recommend MedSc more because then you can get away with not doing too well in a few units here and there in second year (because it's so competitive) and then doing well in regular science units for a major in third year, whereas, if you did Bsc(Adv) then you have to keep getting distinctions and above throughout your degree to stay in your course otherwise you'll get kicked down to regular science with the plebs and that might not look desirable on a graduation certificate or whatevs.

Do you need to do HSC physics for med science? will I struggle?

Also, how difficult is med science.

 

[Riproot]

Do you need to do HSC physics for med science? will I struggle?

Also, how difficult is med science.

nope. I didn't do HSC physics.

I did regular physics (for people that did HSC physics and got less than 90 and less than 96 ATAR) but you can do fundamentals or psych instead at USyd.

Although, at UNSW I don't think you need to do physics at all, same with UWS, etc.

It's not that difficult if you do the regular units in first year and have a science background.

Apparently second year is hard but I haven't done that yet.

 

[iSplicer]

Honestly answer, no.

Medical science or advanced science.

Yay!

+1.

The path you would take: BMedSc --> Hons I --> PhD --> a gazillion post doc fellowships, research opportunities --> a research job --> find cure to disease X --> ??? --> PROFIT

 

[4025808]

I will confirm that riproot is not trolling in this case.

 

[sghguos]

nope. I didn't do HSC physics.

I did regular physics (for people that did HSC physics and got less than 90 and less than 96 ATAR) but you can do fundamentals or psych instead at USyd.

Although, at UNSW I don't think you need to do physics at all, same with UWS, etc.

It's not that difficult if you do the regular units in first year and have a science background.

Apparently second year is hard but I haven't done that yet.

You do MED science! lol didnt know

btw is this "fundamental physics at usyd" a bridging course or something???

Why do you need physics in the first place??? I thought it was just mostly chemistry

 

[Riproot]

You do MED science! lol didnt know

btw is this "fundamental physics at usyd" a bridging course or something???

Why do you need physics in the first place??? I thought it was just mostly chemistry

Yeah, I do Med Science and Chemical & Biomolecular Engineering. (ew)

No. At Usyd first year science subjects are mostly offered at four different levels:
Fundamentals - You didn't do that subject in HSC but it is a requirement of your course that you do it in first year.
Regular - Did it in HSC but don't want to major in it in Advanced science but do want to do it for some reason.
Advanced - Did it in HSC, did quite well, got a good ATAR and are interested in it. Probs going to make it an Advanced major. (or like me just do as may of these as possible because you are a masochist)
SSP - A slight step up from Advanced for people that got ATARs of 99+ and a band 6 in the HSC subject.

Although, first year Psych is only offered at the regular level for obvi reasons, and Bio is only offered at Regular and Advanced level.

Well, for straight MedSc at USyd you have to do the following in first year:

First sem:
6CP - Biology
6CP - Chemistry
6CP - Maths
6CP - Psychology or Physics

Second Sem:
6CP - Molecular Biology & Genetics
6CP - Chemistry
6CP - Maths
6CP - Psychology or Physics

So I had to do physics because I originally did BE(Mech(Biomed))/BMedSc so I could use it for both courses (because I either had to do PHYS1001 or MECH1001 (or something)) but you can do psychology instead if that's more up your alley.

Or just do BSc or BSc(Adv) and just backtrack from your major to see what units you need to do to fulfil your degree majors and shiz (you probs won't need psych or phys).

YAY!

 

[sghguos]

Yeah, I do Med Science and Chemical & Biomolecular Engineering. (ew)

No. At Usyd first year science subjects are mostly offered at four different levels:
Fundamentals - You didn't do that subject in HSC but it is a requirement of your course that you do it in first year.
Regular - Did it in HSC but don't want to major in it in Advanced science but do want to do it for some reason.
Advanced - Did it in HSC, did quite well, got a good ATAR and are interested in it. Probs going to make it an Advanced major. (or like me just do as may of these as possible because you are a masochist)
SSP - A slight step up from Advanced for people that got ATARs of 99+ and a band 6 in the HSC subject.

Although, first year Psych is only offered at the regular level for obvi reasons, and Bio is only offered at Regular and Advanced level.

Well, for straight MedSc at USyd you have to do the following in first year:

First sem:
6CP - Biology
6CP - Chemistry
6CP - Maths
6CP - Psychology or Physics

Second Sem:
6CP - Molecular Biology & Genetics
6CP - Chemistry
6CP - Maths
6CP - Psychology or Physics

So I had to do physics because I originally did BE(Mech(Biomed))/BMedSc so I could use it for both courses (because I either had to do PHYS1001 or MECH1001 (or something)) but you can do psychology instead if that's more up your alley.

Or just do BSc or BSc(Adv) and just backtrack from your major to see what units you need to do to fulfil your degree majors and shiz (you probs won't need psych or phys).

YAY!

YAYAYAY I cant do psychology over physics! (hate physics).

Btw, is this same for UNSW?

 

[Riproot]

YAYAYAY I cant do psychology over physics! (hate physics).

Btw, is this same for UNSW?

No.

UNSW​	USyd​
FIRST​	YEAR​
First​	Semester​
6 - BABS1201 - Molecules, Cells and Genes 6 - SCIF1111 - Perspectives in Med. Science [Students may complete SCIF1131 - Science: Perspectives in Sem 2 instead of SCIF1111 - Perspectives in Med. Science in Sem 1.] 6 - CHEM1011 - Chemistry A (or CHEM1031 - Higher Chemistry A) 6 - Elective course from a School in the Faculty of Science (recommended: MATH1041 Statistics for Life and Social Sciences, Psychology, Physics, or other Mathematics course)[Students must complete MATH1041 Statistics for Life and Social Sciences by the end of Stage 2.]	6 - BIOL1X01 - Concepts in Biology (or Advanced) OR BIOL1X03 - Human Biology (or Advanced) [Most do human] 6 - CHEM1X01 - Chemistry 1A (Fundamentals/Regular/Advanced/SSP(Chem1903)) 3 - MATH1X01 - Differential Calculus [MX1 HSC] (or Adv or SSP (MATH1906) [MX2 + good ATAR]) OR MATH1011 - Applications of Calculus (Fundamentals [Mathematics in HSC]) 3 - MATH1X02 - Linear Algebra (or Adv) OR MATH1015 - Biostatistics [prereqs as above] 6 - PHYS1X01 - Physics 1 (or Adv or SSP) OR PHYS1002 - Physics (Fundamentals) OR PSYC1001 - Psychology 1
Second​	Semester​
6 - ANAT1521 - Anatomy for Medical Science 6 - CHEM1021 - Chemistry B or CHEM1041 - Higher Chemistry B 6 - BIOS1101 - Evolutionary & Functional Biology OR BIOS2021 Genetics OR BABS2202 Molecular Cell Biology I [Students who have completed high school Biology with a score of at least 75 and achieved at least a credit in BABS1201 can take either BIOS2021 - Genetics or BABS2202 - Molecular Biology I. All other students should take BIOS1101] 6 - Elective course from a School in the Faculty of Science (recommended: MATH1041 Statistics for Life and Social Sciences, Psychology, Physics, or other Mathematics course)	6 - MBLG1X01 - Molecular Biology and Genetics (or Adv) 6 - CHEM1X02 - Chemistry 1B (Fundamentals/Regular/Advanced/SSP(Chem1903)) 3 - MATH1X03 - Integral Calculus & Modelling (or Adv or SSP (MATH1907)) OR MATH1013 - Mathematical Modelling [requirements same for all junior maths] 3 - MATH1X05 - Statistics (or Adv) OR MATH1004 - Discrete Mathematics OR MATH1014 - Introduction to Linear Algebra 6 - PHYS1004 - Environmental Physics [Pretty much fundamentals] OR PHYS1003 - Physics (Technology) OR PHYS1902 - Physics 2 (Adv or SSP)[Adv/SSP version of PHYS1003] OR PSYC1002 - Psychology 2
SECOND​	YEAR​
First​	Semester​
6 - ANAT2241 - Histology: Basic and Systematic 6 - BIOC2101 - Principles of Biochem (Adv) 6 - MICR2011 - Microbiology 1 6 - PHSL2101 - Physiology 1A	6 - BMED2401 - Cellular Foundations of Medical Sciences 6 - BMED2402 - Nerve and Muscle 6 - BMED2403 - Cardiovascular and Respiratory Systems 6 - Elective [Although I think this may have changed so that you must take MBLG2X71 - Molecular Biology and Genomics (or Adv)]
Second​	Semester​
6 - BIOC2201 - Principles of Molecular Biology (Adv) 6 - PATH2201 - Processes in Disease 6 - PHAR2011 - Introductory Pharmacology and Toxicology 6 - PHSL2201 - Physiology 1B	6 - BMED2404 - Microbes, Infection, and Immunity 6 - BMED2405 - Gut and Nutrient Metabolism 6 - BMED2406 - Hormones, Kidney and Reproduction 6 - Elective [Might have to take MBLG2X72 - Molecular Biology and Genetics 2 (or Adv)]
THIRD​	YEAR​
The 48 UoC of courses in this stage must consist of: - At least 24 UoC from the following list of 6 UoC courses - 12 UoC of elective courses - 12 UoC of General Education electives (see General Education requirements below) The 12 UoC of elective courses may be chosen from any Faculty, at any level, or can be from the list of courses below. When making their course choices, students who intend to do Honours must consult with the school of Biotechnology and Biomolecular Sciences or the School of Medical Sciences about requirements for Honours prior to enrolment in Stage 3 of the program.	In third year, you will choose from units offered in anatomy and histology, biochemistry, biology (genetics), immunology, infectious diseases, microbiology, pharmacology, pathology and physiology, as well as having the option to study an elective.

You can always swap your degree around though, for example, the USyd BMedSc can be swapped to something like this:

For example, my Pre-Enrolment for next year is:
Semester 1:
6 - BIOL1903 - Human Biology (ADV)
6 - MATH2961 - Linear Algebra & Vector Calculus (Adv)
6 - PSYC1001 - Psychology 1
6 - BMED2401 - Cellular Foundations of Medical Sciences

Semester 2:
6 - BMED2404 - Microbes, Infection, and Immunity
6 - BMED2405 - Gut and Nutrient Metabolism
6 - BMED2406 - Hormones, Kidney and Reproduction
6 - MATH2965 - Partial Differential Equations Introduction (Adv)

All this info is gained from:
http://www.handbook.unsw.edu.au/undergraduate/programs/2013/3991.html
http://sydney.edu.au/science/fstudent/undergrad/course/bmedical.shtml
http://cusp.eng.usyd.edu.au/students/view-degree-page/degree_id/186
http://sydney.edu.au/medicine/anatomy/current-student/units-study/all.php

 

[Spiritual Being]

Example?

I don't really troll the HSC section so I dunno…

But like, if you wanna do B.Pharm and find yourself in debt and unemployed 3 years into the future then go ahead, it's your choice.

judging by his past threads, I think he actually wants this...

 

[HKspec009]

How about getting into Dentistry after B.MedSci> Is it hard to get in
I know you need a GPA of like 5 point something out of 7, is that during the whole degree or the final year?
Also, how competitive is it getting into Dent at USYD in terms of GAMSAT and interview?

 

[Riproot]

How about getting into Dentistry after B.MedSci> Is it hard to get in
I know you need a GPA of like 5 point something out of 7, is that during the whole degree or the final year?
Also, how competitive is it getting into Dent at USYD in terms of GAMSAT and interview?

Make a new thread

 

[ismeta]

Re: I havent done any sciences, Should I still do b.pharmacy.

Yeah, my mother is a pharmacist and has been for 20 - 30 years. She's told me that (as others have said) that there's an oversupply of pharmacists and that the pay isn't fantastic. The Government's Job Seekers website says that employment will grow strongly, however, so I don't know what to make of that and my mother's opinion.

But if you find a strong interest in pharmacy itself, do it I guess. Otherwise there are many other ways to help society.

 

[Riproot]

Re: I havent done any sciences, Should I still do b.pharmacy.

just curious, how much adv stats is in pharm?
I can't imagine there being too much of that.

Well, my tutor this sem said he taught most of what we were doing, maybe a little less, maybe a bit from other stuff in pharm maths tutes last semester.

 

[Ajaxx]

Re: Atar predictions for b.pharm usyd this year? it dropped like 10 last year apparen

Probably 85-88, due to the lower demand for them nowadays.

I read in the newspaper a few weeks ago that the starting salary for graduate pharmacists is one of the lowest, (like $35 000 i think) while job prospects were also bad with a bit under 50% being able to find work in the first year after the graduate.

 

[sghguos]

Should I do biology bridging course for b.pharm or b.med sci if I have no hsc science

^^

I have done no hsc science. Now I know I have to study chemistry as assumed knowledge but


Biology is only recommended, should I study for it before I go into uni or just focus more on chem????

 

[Some Vunt]

Just do the most basic biology unit in first semester (BABS (I don't know the numbers) at UNSW and BIOL1001 (or 1911 if you get an ATAR >95) and you should be fine without a bridging course.

 

[Moldy81]

Re: Should I do biology bridging course for b.pharm or b.med sci if I have no hsc sci

^^

I have done no hsc science. Now I know I have to study chemistry as assumed knowledge but


Biology is only recommended, should I study for it before I go into uni or just focus more on chem????

Hi, At UWS we do not have any HSC subject pre-requisites, so you could certainly get into the Bachelor of Medical Science without having done the recommended subjects during the HSC, provided you achieve the required ATAR. We do, however offer student support services to current students, which can serve as a bridging course in that it can help you improve your skills in biology. For more information on student support services, please contact our Course Information Team on 1300 897 669 or study@uws.edu.au. Best regards, UWS Course Info.

 

[Survivor39]

+1.

The path you would take: BMedSc --> Hons I --> PhD --> a gazillion post doc fellowships, research opportunities --> a research job --> find cure to disease X --> ??? --> PROFIT

*sighs* You are making me depressed. Can't I just get to the 'PROFIT' part now?

 

[thekooldude]

Re: Atar predictions for b.pharm usyd this year? it dropped like 10 last year apparen

Well pharmacy actually rose this year! to 90 ATAR!