• Congratulations to the Class of 2024 on your results!
    Let us know how you went here
    Got a question about your uni preferences? Ask us here

HSC 2015 MX2 Marathon (archive) (2 Viewers)

Status
Not open for further replies.

InteGrand

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 11, 2014
Messages
6,109
Gender
Male
HSC
N/A
Re: HSC 2015 4U Marathon

do you mean (k-1)^3 - k^3? But yeah, this works.

I was thinking of a way using complex numbers to generalize for k^n then solving. But that was probably just complicating things.
 

braintic

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 20, 2011
Messages
2,137
Gender
Undisclosed
HSC
N/A
Re: HSC 2015 4U Marathon

Alternatively, recognise that the sum of quadratic terms must have cubic form.
So write S_n = an^3 + bn^2 + cn
(the constant term must be zero so that S_0 = 0)

Then sub in the expected sums for n=1,2,3 and solve simultaneously to find a,b,c.
 

Sy123

This too shall pass
Joined
Nov 6, 2011
Messages
3,730
Gender
Male
HSC
2013
Re: HSC 2015 4U Marathon

Alternatively, recognise that the sum of quadratic terms must have cubic form.
I'd add that one way to prove this is by proving the sum is a polynomial (by induction, since if S_n is a polynomial, then S_(n+1) = S_n + (n+1)^2 is a polynomial), and that it's a cubic since the sum is less than:



(by the lower rectangles being less than the curve)
which is a cubic, so it's degree is at most a cubic (since if it was higher, then for sufficiently large N the inequality is violated)
 

InteGrand

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 11, 2014
Messages
6,109
Gender
Male
HSC
N/A
Re: HSC 2015 4U Marathon

I'd add that one way to prove this is by proving the sum is a polynomial (by induction, since if S_n is a polynomial, then S_(n+1) = S_n + (n+1)^2 is a polynomial)
What would we do for the base case for this?
 

Kaido

be.
Joined
Jul 7, 2014
Messages
798
Gender
Male
HSC
2015
Re: HSC 2015 4U Marathon

wth, proofwiki ahahha

interesting method to approach the amgm proof, was that in previous exams or did u come up with it sy :O
 

Sy123

This too shall pass
Joined
Nov 6, 2011
Messages
3,730
Gender
Male
HSC
2013
Re: HSC 2015 4U Marathon

wth, proofwiki ahahha

interesting method to approach the amgm proof, was that in previous exams or did u come up with it sy :O
I 'came up with it' when I was trying to find a way to get 2U students to prove the AM-GM for n=2, but then I realized it could be generalized quite easily haha (with the aid of induction)

But I'm sure it's been thought of before
 

glittergal96

Active Member
Joined
Jul 25, 2014
Messages
418
Gender
Female
HSC
2014
Re: HSC 2015 4U Marathon

I'd add that one way to prove this is by proving the sum is a polynomial (by induction, since if S_n is a polynomial, then S_(n+1) = S_n + (n+1)^2 is a polynomial)
I don't think this works, we need a fixed polynomial that evaluates the n-th partial sum.

Here is a way of proving that it is a degree d+1 polynomial (where d is the power we are raising the terms to).

Suppose by inductive hypothesis that:



for , where

Then



by expanding out binomially to obtain the last equality.

So



is a degree d+1 polynomial from our inductive hypothesis.

I suppose this also gives you a way of recursively computing these polynomials but it probably gets tedious fast.
 

glittergal96

Active Member
Joined
Jul 25, 2014
Messages
418
Gender
Female
HSC
2014
Re: HSC 2015 4U Marathon

Another approach that is nice and works is to consider the recurrence relation



for polynomials p of degree d. (When p(x) is the monomial x^d, finding a closed solution to the recurrence is the same thing as finding a closed form for S_d(n).)

We can prove inductively that the solution to such recurrences is a polynomial of degree d+1.

Idea: Make the substitution where a is an arbitrary parameter.

Substituting then translates our u-recurrence into a v-recurrence with the parameter a floating around.

BUT by choosing "a" to be a particular value, the top order term of the polynomial on the RHS of the recurrence vanishes, and we have reduced the problem to one of lower degree, which we already know has a polynomial solution of deg < d+1.

So this also tells us that u is a polynomial of degree d+1 in n.

(I prefer this way because the techniques are more general/powerful and the result is stronger.)
 

glittergal96

Active Member
Joined
Jul 25, 2014
Messages
418
Gender
Female
HSC
2014
Re: HSC 2015 4U Marathon

I might as well just prove the inductive step of your extension question, as the same method is how we answer the earlier parts of the question.

Consider the polynomial .

By considering its first two derivatives, it has at most two stationary points, only one of which: is potentially positive.

As and , p can only attain negative values on the non-negative real line if it has a non-negative stationary point and

Simple algebraic manipulations now give us an inequality a and b must satisfy in order to give us .





Given the form of p, it is natural to take and and .

The n-variable AM-GM is then precisely the statement that p(x) is non-negative for non-negative x. So then suffices to show that our a and b satisfy the previously established criterion for non-negativity.

We do this using the assumption of the (n-1) case of AM-GM. (Of course for the original n=3 question, we can use the fact that the n=2 version of AM-GM is extremely easy. Or we could start the induction at the completely trivial n=1 as well probably.)



which upon rearrangement gives us (*) and completes the proof.
 
Last edited:

kawaiipotato

Well-Known Member
Joined
Apr 28, 2015
Messages
463
Gender
Undisclosed
HSC
2015
Re: HSC 2015 4U Marathon

Was suppose to be k/(a^(k-1)) oops
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 2)

Top