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Re: HSC 2015 4U Marathon - Advanced Level

ok...

1. I just deleted my two replies. I understand and yes agree.
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2. I have noted by reinspecting, that your substitution recommended doesn't actually end up with the inequality I was asking about or you were referencing, unless their is some magical fudge or something I am missing where
or some other result?

how exactly can we jump from
which was my original question, because it looks like coming "out of the blue".

please correct me if I am wrong. thanks
apart from that, everything else you have said makes good sense.

(also my second answer was derived by using your recommended substitution on the left hand side and simplifying)
 
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ok...

1. I just deleted my two replies. I understand and yes agree.
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2. I have noted by reinspecting, that your substitution recommended doesn't actually end up with the inequality I was asking about or you were referencing, unless their is some magical fudge or something I am missing where
or some other result?

how exactly can we jump from
which was my original question, because it looks like coming "out of the blue".

please correct me if I am wrong. thanks
apart from that, everything else you have said makes good sense.








 

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Re: HSC 2015 4U Marathon - Advanced Level

isn't f(1)=1 and f(0)=0, so thus it is secant (y=x), the join between that, that must be above the graph if it convex?
or does convexity not apply for this case of extremities?
Re-read the original question.

The condition is:

f(x+y) >= f(x) + f(y) (often called super-additivity)

not convexity.
 

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Is anyone here able to solve questoin 8b iv) from the 1994 4u paper? The one about finding T's coordinates
 

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Obtain one inequality by setting the discriminant from (iii) to be negative, and obtain the other inequality by explicitly solving the 'quadratic' to make x+1/x the subject.

Then use the fact that |x+1/x| < 2 for non-real roots to obtain another inequality. From there, you should get the inequalities B>A^2/4+2, B>2A-2 and B>-2A-2, from which the coordinates of T can be found to be (4,6) easily.

I've attached a diagram below indicating the regions.

 

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If is a non-negative function such that



and



we say that f is a sexy function.


Find the smallest real such that



for all and all sexy functions .
It has been a while, so I will post my solution.

I think the answer is .


First, we show that for all x and all f. (1)


This inequality is certainly true in the interval by monotonicity and the fact that f(1)=1.
We now proceed inductively by considering the interval

If the inequality is true in , then for we have

as

This completes the proof of (1), it remains to show that 2 is the least such constant. We do this by constructing sexy functions which have arbitrarily close to 2.

Convexity is the key here, take a function f that satisfies:

i. f(0)=0, f(1)=1.
ii. f is convex on [0,1/2].
iii. f(x)+f(1-x)=1 (symmetry about x=1/2)

I claim that all such functions are sexy. (2)

Note that the function that is 0 on [0,1/2-s], 1 on [1/2+s,1] and (x-1/2)/s on (1/2-s,1/2+s) for some small s clearly satisfies the three above properties. Since it also has f(1/2+s)/(1/2+s)=1/(1/2+s) -> 2, proving (2) would complete the proof that

Let us now prove (2).

Case A:
If x,y,x+y =< 1/2, then f(x+y) >= f(x) + f(y) as f is a convex function on the interval [0,1,2], and convexity implies sexiness as discussed in previous posts.

Case B:
If x,y =< 1/2 and x+y > 1/2, then f(x) + f(y) =< x + y =< f(x)+f(y) where the first inequality is from f(0)=0, f(1/2)=1/2 and convexity in between. The latter inequality is from f(1/2)=1/2, f(1)=1 and concavity in between. (Concavity in this interval following from the symmetry condition iii).

Case C:
If x =< 1/2, and 1 >= y, x+y >1/2, then Case A tells us that f(1-x-y) + f(x) =< f(1-y). Using iii we get 1-f(x+y)+f(x) =< 1-f(y), which gives us sexiness by rearrangement.

This completes the proof of (2), and hence finishes the problem.
 
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Nice solution.
Wouldn't condition (iii) be an ideal case, since the statement f(x)+f(1-x)<=1.
or are you assuming equality.
 

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Nice solution.
Wouldn't condition (iii) be an ideal case, since the statement f(x)+f(1-x)<=1.
or are you assuming equality.
What do you mean? I can choose these conditions how I want. All I am saying is that functions that satisfy these conditions are sexy, I am not saying that all sexy functions satisfy these conditions.

All that is needed is a construction that shows we cannot "beat" the constant 2, and the fact that these conditions imply sexiness makes it easy to do so.
 

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What do you mean? I can choose these conditions how I want. All I am saying is that functions that satisfy these conditions are sexy, I am not saying that all sexy functions satisfy these conditions.
All that is needed is a construction that shows we cannot "beat" the constant 2, and the fact that these conditions imply sexiness makes it easy to do so.
all good.
(Some discontinuous functions wouldn't work anyways or satisfy the inequality for all cases)


Anyway, time for a new question.
 
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all good.
(Discontinuous functions wouldn't work anyways or satisfy the inequality for all cases)


Anyway, time for a new question.
What is the purpose of that graph? It is neither convex or sexy.

And why are you bringing up continuity? I never mentioned it...
 

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What is the purpose of that graph? It is neither convex or sexy.

And why are you bringing up continuity? I never mentioned it...
I am well aware of that. There is no purpose of the graph really. It is a graph that on first looks you think might satisfy the inequality but it doesn't.

NEW Question:
2015'ers should attempt first as this might be relatively easier than some problems, it was adapted from a 2012 trial (Q16)


 
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Dan why did u break the question up into parts? It might've been a nice question if u didn't spoon feed (like the HSC unfortunately). Here's a hard one:

 

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Dan why did u break the question up into parts? It might've been a nice question if u didn't spoon feed (like the HSC unfortunately). Here's a hard one:

because I can. also it was originally two separate questions. (parts 3-5 were originally separate question but required that the first two parts be done anyway). Hold on I'll edit it.

and i'll see if I can do your question, just maybe not straight away at this time of night
 
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I am well aware of that. There is no purpose of the graph really. It is a graph that on first looks you think might satisfy the inequality but it doesn't.

NEW Question:


my integration bounds are reversed and the initial solution of x=0 leads towards negative root away from the intended root.
Furthermore, some experimenting with the calculator showed that the new values keep jumping wildly all over the cartesian plane, going as high as x=14 and as low as x=-7

I think a better approach might have been to use the substitution and from there, using triple angle formula to manually compute the solution with a calculator.

I got to all the decimal places available on my calculator
 
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my integration bounds are reversed and the initial solution of x=0 leads towards negative root away from the intended root.
Furthermore, some experimenting with the calculator showed that the new values keep jumping wildly all over the cartesian plane, going as high as x=14 and as low as x=-7

I think a better approach might have been to use the substitution and from there, using triple angle formula to manually compute the solution with a calculator.
yeah sorry most likely some LATEX issues/poor reading, yes the limit is reversed, I had written it wrong (copyist error), I checked my source (where I got it from).

I have also funnily enough edited it out the integral anyway. where I got it from may have a typo for the first part.
Note that there is a difference of 1 between part (1) and part (4) in the equation.
 
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Solution to part 2 may help. Still try to do the other 3 parts, especially no. 3 and 4.
 

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I reckon you should even take out the part where they say "Show that V= blah blah blah".
 

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I reckon you should even take out the part where they say "Show that V= blah blah blah".
nah I'll leave it in, so then you know it has something to do with volume.
 
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