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We all know the answer is
Done earlier on this thread.}\,dx})
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Unsing the standard trigo-geometric summation identity for sin(x), the answer is
Since this is a series of rectangles across the real line, convert it into a sum.Not sure if this is doable
Unsing the standard trigo-geometric summation identity for sin(x), the answer is
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The imaginary component of the integral is absolutely convergent, and so is the Taylor expansion, so (insert reasoning here) it is valid to exchange summation, integration and complex extraction.
Take the Taylor series of ex and replace x with eix
Swap the order of integration and summation. Integrate termwise.
final answer:
π(e-1)/2
Take the Imaginary part of the following integral: } }{ x } dx } \\ )
The imaginary component of the integral is absolutely convergent, and so is the Taylor expansion, so (insert reasoning here) it is valid to exchange summation, integration and complex extraction.
Take the Taylor series of ex and replace x with eix
Swap the order of integration and summation. Integrate termwise.
final answer:
π(e-1)/2
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I don't think that integral is absolutely convergent...there might be a nice way of justifying that interchange, but its not a trivial matter.Take the Imaginary part of the following integral:
The imaginary component of the integral is absolutely convergent, and so is the Taylor expansion, so (insert reasoning here) it is valid to exchange summation, integration and complex extraction.
Take the Taylor series of ex and replace x with eix
Swap the order of integration and summation. Integrate termwise.
final answer:
π(e-1)/2
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IDK about the justification of interchange.
The Imaginary part is absolutely convergent. The real part is divergent.
IDK about the justification of interchange.
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The imaginary part of the integrand is the original integrand, which is
}\sin(\sin(x))}{x}.)
This is not absolutely convergent. We have something continuous and periodic divided by x. Upon taking absolute values, integrating this is like summing a harmonic series.
The integral converges in the sense of an improper Riemann integral because it oscillates as well as decays (things like the Dirichlet test or alternating series test pin this notion down), but its rate of decay is too slow to give us absolute convergence.
The most common ways of justifying an interchange rely on our limit function being absolutely integrable (the monotone/dominated/vitali convergence theorems), or on us having an absolutely integrable error term which we can bound and show tends to zero, so this is not as routine as you might think, even if it is probably justifiable somehow.
The imaginary part of the integrand is the original integrand, which is
This is not absolutely convergent. We have something continuous and periodic divided by x. Upon taking absolute values, integrating this is like summing a harmonic series.
The integral converges in the sense of an improper Riemann integral because it oscillates as well as decays (things like the Dirichlet test or alternating series test pin this notion down), but its rate of decay is too slow to give us absolute convergence.
The most common ways of justifying an interchange rely on our limit function being absolutely integrable (the monotone/dominated/vitali convergence theorems), or on us having an absolutely integrable error term which we can bound and show tends to zero, so this is not as routine as you might think, even if it is probably justifiable somehow.
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I don't even know, Leehuan says this is from an IB textbook. Advanced much?The imaginary part of the integrand is the original integrand, which is
This is not absolutely convergent. We have something continuous and periodic divided by x. Upon taking absolute values, integrating this is like summing a harmonic series.
The integral converges in the sense of an improper Riemann integral because it oscillates as well as decays (things like the Dirichlet test or alternating series test pin this notion down), but its rate of decay is too slow to give us absolute convergence.
The most common ways of justifying an interchange rely on our limit function being absolutely integrable (the monotone/dominated convergence theorems), or on us having an absolutely integrable error term which we can bound and show tends to zero, so this is not as routine as you might think, even if it is probably justifiable somehow.
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Gotta be careful with these things, because functions/sequences that oscillate and decay but are not absolutely integrable are a common source of counterexamples to otherwise believable claims.
There has to be a less potentially dodgy way of doing it, I also thought of expanding out a series in e^(ix) to start with, but I couldn't see any way of justifying that so I left it.
Gotta be careful with these things, because functions/sequences that oscillate and decay but are not absolutely integrable are a common source of counterexamples to otherwise believable claims.
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Too advanced.
Well the only other way I see is by contouring the first quadrant but like I said.
Too advanced.
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My first thought was contouring due to the singularity but I have little experience with that.
Taylor expansion didn't occur to me until a lot later.
I only saw the imaginary extraction during an epiphany on the train last week.
My first thought was contouring due to the singularity but I have little experience with that.
Taylor expansion didn't occur to me until a lot later.
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Could you clarify the source and the typical integration techniques used in this book? I will have another look at it later today if I have time.
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The slow decay of the integrand again makes things nontrivial (what contour do you suggest?), and the singularity is removable, not a pole so there is no benefit in contouring about it (for the original function, it is a pole of the complexified function, but the problem of slow decay remains).
We are in the extracurricular marathon, so post a contour integration solution if you do find one.
The slow decay of the integrand again makes things nontrivial (what contour do you suggest?), and the singularity is removable, not a pole so there is no benefit in contouring about it (for the original function, it is a pole of the complexified function, but the problem of slow decay remains).
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