Alternate entries into a uni (beside IPT/transfers) (1 Viewer)

[axe]

Hi all, I am worried that the marks I am getting back for trials are not that great, and I am feeling a bit anxious about my future ATAR, which I fear might fall short the entrance requirements for my desired courses (1st pref med, 2nd is actuarial, 3rd is law). I understand that universities have strict admission criteria, but I am wondering if there are any alternative pathways such as paying additional fees that could enhance my chances of admission? Unis in other countries consider large donations for admissions in various forms, and I’m curious if such options exist here (especially for med).

Does anyone have experience with this or know more about how universities handle situations where a student is willing to make significant contributions to the uni's programs or facilities? My parents are willing to pay approx 500k AUD if it significantly helps or increases my chances of getting into med.

 

[Masaken]

Hi all, I am worried that the marks I am getting back for trials are not that great, and I am feeling a bit anxious about my future ATAR, which I fear might fall short the entrance requirements for my desired courses (1st pref med, 2nd is actuarial, 3rd is law). I understand that universities have strict admission criteria, but I am wondering if there are any alternative pathways such as paying additional fees that could enhance my chances of admission? Unis in other countries consider large donations for admissions in various forms, and I’m curious if such options exist here (especially for med).

Does anyone have experience with this or know more about how universities handle situations where a student is willing to make significant contributions to the uni's programs or facilities? My parents are willing to pay approx 500k AUD if it significantly helps or increases my chances of getting into med.

For medicine most likely not, that's kinda like bribery yknow and it would be pretty bad for their rep if the unis in Australia allowed for this. IPT / transfer is the most common way because it's the most straightforward and in many circumstances the only way if you don't get into medicine straightaway

If you're concerned about not making it into medicine here in NSW (where the demand is quite high), perhaps you could also consider applying interstate where the ATAR requirements are not as high? I'm aware that last year UNSW's cut-off for interviews was 99.55 whereas for USyd it's always 99.95. I have friends who didn't make it into either even though they had very high ATARs and some with much lower ATARs but ended up studying medicine interstate to other universities with lower ATAR requirements (eg. a friend of mine went to Adelaide where the ATAR needed is around 90, another went to Queensland which required 95). If your parents are willing to pay 500k AUD then I feel like they are also more than able to afford accommodation and other related fees for interstate study

 

[axe]

For medicine most likely not, that's kinda like bribery yknow and it would be pretty bad for their rep if the unis in Australia allowed for this. IPT / transfer is the most common way because it's the most straightforward and in many circumstances the only way if you don't get into medicine straightaway

If you're concerned about not making it into medicine here in NSW (where the demand is quite high), perhaps you could also consider applying interstate where the ATAR requirements are not as high? I'm aware that last year UNSW's cut-off for interviews was 99.55 whereas for USyd it's always 99.95. I have friends who didn't make it into either even though they had very high ATARs but ended up studying medicine interstate to other universities with lower ATAR requirements (eg. a friend of mine went to Adelaide where the ATAR needed is around 90, another went to Queensland which required 95). If your parents are willing to pay 500k AUD then I feel like they are also more than able to afford accommodation and other related fees for interstate study

i mean i dont want to do medicine my parents want me to. bit of a blessing cause id rather be doing another course lol. do you know anything about actuarial, or even comp sci or software engineering? My own desires are to become a fintech developer.

 

[Masaken]

i mean i dont want to do medicine my parents want me to. bit of a blessing cause id rather be doing another course lol. do you know anything about actuarial, or even comp sci or software engineering? My own desires are to become a fintech developer.

If you don't really want to do medicine, I wouldn't bother then. I do a commerce / cs double and I feel like if you're interested in becoming a fintech developer your best choice would be doing commerce / cs (or actl/cs but personally I'd recommend the former). UNSW has an infosys degree you could also look into when considering a double with commerce as well if you're more into the business side of things (commerce @ unsw also has a fintech major but I'm not very knowledgeable on it)

 

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such as paying additional fees that could enhance my chances of admission? Unis in other countries consider large donations for admissions in various forms, and I’m curious if such options exist here (especially for med).

1. You wont even have the route to "pay additional fees". The ones processing your fees are very unlikely to be your stakeholder.
2. That's not true. At least from what I know that the UK uses a very similar system to ours.

 

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i mean i dont want to do medicine my parents want me to. bit of a blessing cause id rather be doing another course lol. do you know anything about actuarial, or even comp sci or software engineering? My own desires are to become a fintech developer.

I think it's better not to buy in your parents' preferences, given that you are/will be an adult now.

 

[spiderfan44]

put the bribe money into tutoring. plus even if you do manage to get the atar you want, think about if youre going to do well in the ucat AND the interview. i reckon youre better off listing your uac preferences as the courses you actually want to do, that way youre not kinda fucked if you dont a crazy high atar for law and actuarial studies. if your parents are strict theyll prob be dissapointed for a couple years, but does that couple years really trump 40 years in a job you hate? plus ur parents will prob die before u even retire

 

[Test-king12]

put the bribe money into tutoring. plus even if you do manage to get the atar you want, think about if youre going to do well in the ucat AND the interview. i reckon youre better off listing your uac preferences as the courses you actually want to do, that way youre not kinda fucked if you dont a crazy high atar for law and actuarial studies. if your parents are strict theyll prob be dissapointed for a couple years, but does that couple years really trump 40 years in a job you hate? plus ur parents will prob die before u even retire

its not a bribe idiot its a donation

 

[axe]

put the bribe money into tutoring. plus even if you do manage to get the atar you want, think about if youre going to do well in the ucat AND the interview. i reckon youre better off listing your uac preferences as the courses you actually want to do, that way youre not kinda fucked if you dont a crazy high atar for law and actuarial studies. if your parents are strict theyll prob be dissapointed for a couple years, but does that couple years really trump 40 years in a job you hate? plus ur parents will prob die before u even retire

i got a 3015 in the ucat it is close but idk if its good enough for UNSW. i already have private tutoring for almost every subject but tutoring doesnt make me that much smarter, sometimes im simply a brick your other point is valid though id rather work somewhere else

 

[spiderfan44]

also tell ur parents youll never

i got a 3015 in the ucat it is close but idk if its good enough for UNSW. i already have private tutoring for almost every subject but tutoring doesnt make me that much smarter, sometimes im simply a brick your other point is valid though id rather work somewhere else

tell ur parents youll never get onto the forbes billionaires list as a doctor, flip it on them bro

 

[axe]

also tell ur parents youll never

tell ur parents youll never get onto the forbes billionaires list as a doctor, flip it on them bro

yeah thats what i told them

 

[enoilgam]

Hi all, I am worried that the marks I am getting back for trials are not that great, and I am feeling a bit anxious about my future ATAR, which I fear might fall short the entrance requirements for my desired courses (1st pref med, 2nd is actuarial, 3rd is law). I understand that universities have strict admission criteria, but I am wondering if there are any alternative pathways such as paying additional fees that could enhance my chances of admission? Unis in other countries consider large donations for admissions in various forms, and I’m curious if such options exist here (especially for med).

Does anyone have experience with this or know more about how universities handle situations where a student is willing to make significant contributions to the uni's programs or facilities? My parents are willing to pay approx 500k AUD if it significantly helps or increases my chances of getting into med.

One thing about Aussies that doesnt get spoken about enough, they are some of the most honest people in the world. Money wont help you for any of the degrees you mentioned.

Also those three course options sound like they were read out of a book called "Most prestigious careers for ethnics". Are you sure that is what you want to do? Medicine especially isnt the career people think it is, I would think VERY carefully before going down that road.

 

[carrotsss]

i mean i dont want to do medicine my parents want me to. bit of a blessing cause id rather be doing another course lol. do you know anything about actuarial, or even comp sci or software engineering? My own desires are to become a fintech developer.

actuarial/cs might not be a bad shout for keeping ur parents happy and also doing something enjoyable. actuarial would prob be a bit insane and boring but cs is really fun (even at usyd which is supposed to be not as good for it) and it means u have either option at the end of uni, so you can go into fintech at the end if you want

 

[enoilgam]

I should probably have put more detail, but with Medicine you really need to think it through. It is not a good career choice if you are just chasing money/prestige. Here are some things to consider:

• Medical training takes a very long time (8-15+ years depending on the area of practice) and this means putting many key life goals on hold (getting married, buying a house, having kids etc)
• Being a doctor involves long hours over many years. You wont be making major league dollars until you are in your 30s-40s and even then, the hourly rate probably isnt the greatest. You will also have minimal flexibility, taking a day off/being sick isnt easy when you have patients waiting to see you and you are booking out months in advance (doesnt mean much to an 18 year old, but when you have a spouse + children it will matter)
• The job requires 100% effort 100% of the time, you cant have an off day or phone it in like you can with other roles. If it isnt a passion, doing this will be extremely taxing
• Medicine is an all or nothing proposition. The training is long and hard and the only real option for a graduate is to become a Doctor. So if you discover after 5-10 years that you hate it, you really dont have many alternatives. The sunk costs alone are enough to stop people from changing careers out of medicine. If you contrast this with say law, there are many options beyond being a lawyer for a law graduate (i.e. IB, HR, Consulting etc). Furthermore, if you have been a lawyer for a few years you can still do something else in the corporate space at an equivalent level. If you have been a Doctor for 5 years and dont like it, there really isnt much you can do to change apart from start again in terms of education/training for another profession.
• You are often dealing with a very broad range of people, so your ability to handle people needs to be high. Depending on your specialty, you may be dealing with drug addicts, derros and old people well past their use by date on the regular (my fiance is an ICU nurse and like, her patients are mainly on the bottom end of society).

 

[Test-king12]

I should probably have put more detail, but with Medicine you really need to think it through. It is not a good career choice if you are just chasing money/prestige. Here are some things to consider:

• Medical training takes a very long time (8-15+ years depending on the area of practice) and this means putting many key life goals on hold (getting married, buying a house, having kids etc)
• Being a doctor involves long hours over many years. You wont be making major league dollars until you are in your 30s-40s and even then, the hourly rate probably isnt the greatest. You will also have minimal flexibility, taking a day off/being sick isnt easy when you have patients waiting to see you and you are booking out months in advance (doesnt mean much to an 18 year old, but when you have a spouse + children it will matter)
• The job requires 100% effort 100% of the time, you cant have an off day or phone it in like you can with other roles. If it isnt a passion, doing this will be extremely taxing
• Medicine is an all or nothing proposition. The training is long and hard and the only real option for a graduate is to become a Doctor. So if you discover after 5-10 years that you hate it, you really dont have many alternatives. The sunk costs alone are enough to stop people from changing careers out of medicine. If you contrast this with say law, there are many options beyond being a lawyer for a law graduate (i.e. IB, HR, Consulting etc). Furthermore, if you have been a lawyer for a few years you can still do something else in the corporate space at an equivalent level. If you have been a Doctor for 5 years and dont like it, there really isnt much you can do to change apart from start again in terms of education/training for another profession.
• You are often dealing with a very broad range of people, so your ability to handle people needs to be high. Depending on your specialty, you may be dealing with drug addicts, derros and old people well past their use by date on the regular (my fiance is an ICU nurse and like, her patients are mainly on the bottom end of society).

i agree

 

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One thing about Aussies that doesnt get spoken about enough, they are some of the most honest people in the world. Money wont help you for any of the degrees you mentioned.

Also those three course options sound like they were read out of a book called "Most prestigious careers for ethnics". Are you sure that is what you want to do? Medicine especially isnt the career people think it is, I would think VERY carefully before going down that road.

If I'm the worker working on his payment process and if this guy in front of me gave me money to get accepted, I would be like "wtf"?

 

[axe]

I should probably have put more detail, but with Medicine you really need to think it through. It is not a good career choice if you are just chasing money/prestige. Here are some things to consider:

• Medical training takes a very long time (8-15+ years depending on the area of practice) and this means putting many key life goals on hold (getting married, buying a house, having kids etc)
• Being a doctor involves long hours over many years. You wont be making major league dollars until you are in your 30s-40s and even then, the hourly rate probably isnt the greatest. You will also have minimal flexibility, taking a day off/being sick isnt easy when you have patients waiting to see you and you are booking out months in advance (doesnt mean much to an 18 year old, but when you have a spouse + children it will matter)
• The job requires 100% effort 100% of the time, you cant have an off day or phone it in like you can with other roles. If it isnt a passion, doing this will be extremely taxing
• Medicine is an all or nothing proposition. The training is long and hard and the only real option for a graduate is to become a Doctor. So if you discover after 5-10 years that you hate it, you really dont have many alternatives. The sunk costs alone are enough to stop people from changing careers out of medicine. If you contrast this with say law, there are many options beyond being a lawyer for a law graduate (i.e. IB, HR, Consulting etc). Furthermore, if you have been a lawyer for a few years you can still do something else in the corporate space at an equivalent level. If you have been a Doctor for 5 years and dont like it, there really isnt much you can do to change apart from start again in terms of education/training for another profession.
• You are often dealing with a very broad range of people, so your ability to handle people needs to be high. Depending on your specialty, you may be dealing with drug addicts, derros and old people well past their use by date on the regular (my fiance is an ICU nurse and like, her patients are mainly on the bottom end of society).

yeah aint no way im going to do med seems like a giant waste of time.

Also those three course options sound like they were read out of a book called "Most prestigious careers for ethnics".

only course out of the 3 that I would genuinely want to do is actuarial. My (own) 2nd pref is cs but I think I should be able to get into it (90 LSR iirc). I appreciate your advice though.

 

[rev668]

I think it's better not to buy in your parents' preferences, given that you are/will be an adult now.

dont listen to this brother thats how you end up as a marine biologist making 50k a year

 

[rev668]

If I'm the worker working on his payment process and if this guy in front of me gave me money to get accepted, I would be like "wtf"?

thats why your broke id put the money in my pocket and let the bloke in

 

[rev668]

yeah aint no way im going to do med seems like a giant waste of time.



only course out of the 3 that I would genuinely want to do is actuarial. My (own) 2nd pref is cs but I think I should be able to get into it (90 LSR iirc). I appreciate your advice though.

just go to a different country where you can pay your way PYW, and then you should be fine, US should be fine but its abit of a hole