Why does a cohort have to drag you down, even if you did good in external exams? (1 Viewer)

[nonya2000]

My school is full of incredibly stupid individuals in math advanced. (49 avg) these clowns will be dragging me down since i'm not the 1st ranker. (calling them stupid cause they had the choice to drop, yet stayed merely because they wanted to stay with their friends. My advanced cohort should in reality only have like 5 people, yet there are 40)(top 5 marks for the trials were (98, 97, 92, 85, 79) as you can see, it greatly diminishes, almost exponentially). Who is the absolutely fucking retard that thought of this system? Not only is it unfair and isn't a true representation of your achievement, it promotes a fucking hell lot of inequality. Imagine a suburb like mount druitt. If you're in a school full of fucking idiots and there are only two smart kids, you being the second, you're going to fucking get a shit mark because these drop kicks will drag you down. The system should be like A Levels. 100% of the mark comes from the external assessment. HSC is inherently discriminatory to people who aren't in selective schools and low social economic suburbs by its design. Aboriginal kids are getting way less band 6s not because they are dumb and did bad on externals, its because they are forced to get dragged down by the whole community because of this racist system.

You fucking woke people care about inequality and preach it yet you make a system where high achieving students marks are able to be comprimised by a poor cohort, caused by being in a poor area or non selective school, because apparently making students share marks external on an exam marks is a good idea. Proof that the uneducated run the education system. No other fucking school system in the world does this peculiar bullshit. China's gaokao scores are based on an external exam A levels scores are based on multiple external exams.

To make things clear, imagine being 2nd ranked internally in Rooty Hill High School, with an external mark of 85, and the 3rd internal ranker's external mark is a 45. Guess who's average you will be taking? Not the first, you will be taking this retard's average, for an average external mark of 65. Hope you understand why its flawed.

Can the scaling also be set in fucking stone? Just because a bunch of retards join a course, doesn't mean it should be scaled lower this year.

 

[nonya2000]

I don't want to get a shitty score because some dumb bitch beat me in the internals when I wasn't clear headed on that one single day on a topic test. I don't want to take an average of this dumb bitch's mark. Imagine I get 92, then this dumb bitch gets 74. That averages to 83. What the fuck. Had I done better on this one test I would have beaten this bitch and taken the marks of a smarter individual.

 

[ihatehsc24]

My school is full of incredibly stupid individuals in math advanced. (49 avg) these clowns will be dragging me down (calling them stupid cause they had the choice to drop, yet stayed merely because they wanted to stay with their friends. My advanced cohort should in reality only have like 5 people, yet there are 40) since i'm not the 1st ranker (top 5 marks were (98, 97, 92, 85, 79) as you can see, it greatly diminishes, almost exponentially). Who is the absolutely fucking retard that thought of this system? Not only is it unfair and isn't a true representation of your achievement, it promotes a fucking hell lot of inequality. Imagine a suburb like mount druitt. If you're in a school full of fucking idiots and there are only two smart kids, you being the second, you're going to fucking get a shit mark because these drop kicks will drag you down. The system should be like A Levels. 100% of the mark comes from the external assessment. HSC is inherently discriminatory to people who aren't in selective schools and low social economic suburbs by its design. Aboriginal kids are getting way less band 6s not because they are dumb and did bad on externals, its because they are forced to get dragged down by the whole community because of this racist system.

You fucking woke people care about inequality and preach it yet you make a system where high achieving students marks are able to be comprimised by a poor cohort, caused by being in a poor area or non selective school, because apparently making students share marks external on an exam marks is a good idea. Proof that the uneducated run the education system. No other fucking school system in the world does this peculiar bullshit. China's gaokao scores are based on an external exam A levels scores are based on multiple external exams.

Can the scaling also be set in fucking stone? Just because a bunch of retards join a course, doesn't mean it should be scaled lower this year.

I agree with this^

 

[Trebla]

Um it doesn’t quite work like that?

You don’t get “dragged down” if your internal marks are higher than the most of the cohort. The only time you get “dragged down” is if your internal ranks/marks are similar to the middle/lower end of your cohort (in which case your moderated mark reflects that) but your external mark is in the higher end of the cohort.

 

[Trebla]

I don't want to get a shitty score because some dumb bitch beat me in the internals when I wasn't clear headed on that one single day on a topic test. I don't want to take an average of this dumb bitch's mark. Imagine I get 92, then this dumb bitch gets 74. That averages to 83. What the fuck. Had I done better on this one test I would have beaten this bitch and taken the marks of a smarter individual.

What if you were not clear headed in that one single day on externals? If that was weighted 100% as you suggested then you won’t have internal marks to save you.

At least with internals if you stuff up one assessment, you have an opportunity to make up for it in another assessment or the externals.

 

[wildwestworm]

Isn't the gaokao exam very flawed and terrible for students? especially mentally

 

[nonya2000]

What if you were not clear headed in that one single day on externals? If that was weighted 100% as you suggested then you won’t have internal marks to save you.

At least with internals if you stuff up one assessment, you have an opportunity to make up for it in another assessment or the externals.

Its a bad systrm because your internal marks determine whos other mark you will take and average. I believe I would take this bitch's marks since I think my rank is like 5 and shes probably 6 and therefore a much lower external mark. We should get our own external mark, uninfluenced by our ranks. Its fucking stupid they made an external standardised exam, just for them to introduce bias in the scoring system, based on school cohort quality.

 

[ihatehsc24]

What if you were not clear headed in that one single day on externals? If that was weighted 100% as you suggested then you won’t have internal marks to save you.

At least with internals if you stuff up one assessment, you have an opportunity to make up for it in another assessment or the externals.

I'm fine with internals weighing 50% of your HSC mark, however as nonya2000 said, the ranking system is absolutely ridiculous, my "internal mark/grade" shouldn't be based on what other people get. Ranking shouldn't have a play in this system imo. If I get a overall 80 in my internal, and 90 in external, hence my HSC mark should be 85, simple.

 

[nonya2000]

Isn't the gaokao exam very flawed and terrible for students? especially mentally

Its like any external exam, held across multiple days. Also my dad did it and got into Tsinghau.

Um it doesn’t quite work like that?

You don’t get “dragged down” if your internal marks are higher than the most of the cohort. The only time you get “dragged down” is if your internal ranks/marks are similar to the middle/lower end of your cohort (in which case your moderated mark reflects that) but your external mark is in the higher end of the cohort.

Yes you do. this graph is taken from https://www.nsw.gov.au/education-and-training/nesa/hsc/exams-and-marking/assessment-moderation
As you can clearly see, if you're not first ranked, you will take an average mark of one other person. In my case, I may take the average mark of this dumb bitch, instead of smarter peers above me. I don't want that since this dumb bitch scored a 74 on the trials, indicating she will do poor on long tests.

To make things clear, imagine being a 2nd internally in Rooty Hill High School, with an external mark of 85, and the 3rd internal ranker's external mark is a 45. Guess who's average you will be taking? Not the first, you will be taking this retard's average, for an average external mark of 65. Hope you understand why its flawed.

You know a school system is flawed when there a multiple third party and tutoring websites showing how marks are calculated

 

[Average Boreduser]

real solution is to make several external assessments that weigh less

 

[Average Boreduser]

I cant tell yall how pissed I am at the fact that I'm pulling a low rank in my acc bc of a shite mark in a single one of my internals. which now will limit me to a low b6.

 

[jonolad69]

i agree, A Levels is without a doubt the best system.

Specialise in 3 subjects that YOU ENJOY, insane flexibility, only thing you do is mocks and a final exam

also how well you do is dependent on you (and set grade boundaries idk the technicalities of that i see alot of people complain about it tho)

 

[jonolad69]

If you're in a school full of fucking idiots and there are only two smart kids, you being the second, you're going to fucking get a shit mark because these drop kicks will drag you down.

i thought that because there's 2 smart people in the class, the person in 1st would get the 2nd highest external mark, the person in 2nd gets the highest external mark, and then so they would have basically the same final hsc mark?

i thought ur mark is only dependent on you and your rank, if it's 2nd, then dont you just get 1/2 of your mark as the second highest mark?

 

[nonya2000]

i thought that because there's 2 smart people in the class, the person in 1st would get the 2nd highest external mark, the person in 2nd gets the highest external mark, and then so they would have basically the same final hsc mark?

i thought ur mark is only dependent on you and your rank, if it's 2nd, then dont you just get 1/2 of your mark as the second highest mark?

No, for some ridiculous reason, the first person gets to keep their own mark. Why can't we all keep our own external mark? refer to the graph I posted above.

 

[jonolad69]

To make things clear, imagine being a 2nd in Rooty Hill High School, with an external mark of 85, and the 3rd external mark is a 45. Guess who's average you will be taking? Not the first, you will be taking this retard's average, for an average external mark of 65. Hope you understand why its flawed.

?????? really??

 

[spiderfan44]

I don't want to get a shitty score because some dumb bitch beat me in the internals when I wasn't clear headed on that one single day on a topic test. I don't want to take an average of this dumb bitch's mark. Imagine I get 92, then this dumb bitch gets 74. That averages to 83. What the fuck. Had I done better on this one test I would have beaten this bitch and taken the marks of a smarter individual.

well if the 'dumb bitch' beat you then youre also a dumb bitch

 

[ihatehsc24]

No, for some ridiculous reason, the first person gets to keep their own mark. Why can't we all keep our own external mark? refer to the graph I posted above.

I'm pre sure we do keep our marks in external, however the marks also goes to another person based on rankings.

 

[jonolad69]

No, for some ridiculous reason, the first person gets to keep their own mark. Why can't we all keep our own external mark? refer to the graph I posted above.

if a person ranks first, and bombs the hsc by themselves and gets a 35, but the highest external mark is 85

then their FINAl hsc mark would be 85+35 averaged out

 

[nonya2000]

well if the 'dumb bitch' beat you then youre also a dumb bitch

No, she only did good on small topic tests, I can confidently say I'm smarter than that dumb bitch. Plus I got 100% on all topic tests except one which was a 75%, hence I'll share a mark with this dumb bitch even though I performed way better than her in trials.

 

[spiderfan44]

No, for some ridiculous reason, the first person gets to keep their own mark. Why can't we all keep our own external mark? refer to the graph I posted above.

bcuz then you could just slack for internals then do really well bcuz you only focused on studying for externals instead of doing work