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[Momentazeus]

How does studying for 4u maths work? I heard that you need to also study advanced along with 3u and 4u. Is this true?

 

[jimmysmith560]

Yes, I believe that you will need to study Mathematics Advanced content concurrently with Mathematics Extension 1 and Mathematics Extension 2 content. The difference lies in the fact that you will not be completing Mathematics Advanced assessment tasks/exams (this includes the HSC exam). Instead you will be required to complete assessment tasks/exams within the Mathematics Extension 1 and Mathematics Extension 2 courses (including the HSC exam for both subjects).

NESA states the following:

Mathematics Advanced consists of the courses Mathematics Advanced Year 11 and Mathematics Advanced Year 12. Students studying one or both Extension courses must study both Mathematics Advanced Year 11 and Mathematics Extension Year 11 courses before undertaking the study of Mathematics Extension 1 Year 12, or both Mathematics Extension 1 Year 12 and Mathematics Extension 2 Year 12.

Additionally, consider this diagram from NESA:



I hope this helps!

 

[yanujw]

Is it worth explicitly studying for 2u in that case at all? I heard of someone that ranked 1st in ext 1 and ext 2 at a school, then got mid-30s in adv. Do you have to care about your 2u internal rank if you're certain you will do well in 4u?

 

[jilly12]

yeah u do but all the finance + stats + probability crap at the end of 2u isn't tested so u don't need to bother studying for that crap

Sorry digging up an old thread, but is that all the topics that wont be tested in 3U/4U maths? Just wanna know so I can be aware of how much time I should spend on 2U maths from next term and what topics I can ignore to prioritise 4U.

 

[ShhQuietPlease]

You can spend as little as you need, as long as you are solid enough to apply the concepts in 3U and 4U. The analogy is they teach you integration in 2U but you'll need to know it for 3U and definitely 4U. I was lucky to accelerate 2U but I know many of friends did not and it was more stressful learning all three subjects at once.

 

[Sylfiphy]

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Yes, I believe that you will need to study Mathematics Advanced content concurrently with Mathematics Extension 1 and Mathematics Extension 2 content. The difference lies in the fact that you will not be completing Mathematics Advanced assessment tasks/exams (this includes the HSC exam). Instead you will be required to complete assessment tasks/exams within the Mathematics Extension 1 and Mathematics Extension 2 courses (including the HSC exam for both subjects).

NESA states the following:

Mathematics Advanced consists of the courses Mathematics Advanced Year 11 and Mathematics Advanced Year 12. Students studying one or both Extension courses must study both Mathematics Advanced Year 11 and Mathematics Extension Year 11 courses before undertaking the study of Mathematics Extension 1 Year 12, or both Mathematics Extension 1 Year 12 and Mathematics Extension 2 Year 12.

Additionally, consider this diagram from NESA:

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I hope this helps!

I hate to bring up old threads but could you provide the link for where you got this image from

 

[jimmysmith560]

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I hate to bring up old threads but could you provide the link for where you got this image from

Sure, this is from page 12 of the Mathematics Advanced syllabus document.

 

[Sylfiphy]

Sure, this is from page 12 of the Mathematics Advanced syllabus document.

thank you so much also I couldn't find it anywhere but where does nesa state that the advanced assessments are not required to be completed

 

[jimmysmith560]

thank you so much also I couldn't find it anywhere but where does nesa state that the advanced assessments are not required to be completed

I think that it is about whether the student intends to keep Mathematics Extension 2. Keeping Mathematics Extension 2 means that Mathematics Advanced would not count as part of the student's subjects. As such, there is no point in completing Mathematics Advanced assessment tasks/exams. On the other hand, if the student decides to drop Mathematics Extension 2, then Mathematics Advanced will count as part of their subjects.

My understanding is that students stop engaging with the Mathematics Advanced assessment tasks/exams when they decide to keep Mathematics Extension 2, which may happen at a different time during the year depending on the student. Completing Mathematics Advanced assessment tasks/exams and then deciding to drop Mathematics Extension 2 also allows the student to avoid any progress issues in terms of completing Mathematics Advanced.

 

[Sylfiphy]

I think that it is about whether the student intends to keep Mathematics Extension 2. Keeping Mathematics Extension 2 means that Mathematics Advanced would not count as part of the student's subjects. As such, there is no point in completing Mathematics Advanced assessment tasks/exams. On the other hand, if the student decides to drop Mathematics Extension 2, then Mathematics Advanced will count as part of their subjects.

My understanding is that students stop engaging with the Mathematics Advanced assessment tasks/exams when they decide to keep Mathematics Extension 2, which may happen at a different time during the year depending on the student. Completing Mathematics Advanced assessment tasks/exams and then deciding to drop Mathematics Extension 2 also allows the student to avoid any progress issues in terms of completing Mathematics Advanced.

yeah ive had the same understanding as u and I totally get that but ive already dropped to 10 units which means I cant drop 4u anymore, but I need documents to show my teacher this to prove my case but o cant seem to find anything which explicitly states that

 

[jimmysmith560]

yeah ive had the same understanding as u and I totally get that but ive already dropped to 10 units which means I cant drop 4u anymore, but I need documents to show my teacher this to prove my case but o cant seem to find anything which explicitly states that

I am not entirely sure if I correctly understood your issue. It seems that you dropped another subject that brought your total units down to 10 but you instead want to drop Mathematics Extension 2? If so, then these are two separate matters and the ability to drop Mathematics Extension 2 would require you not to drop the other subject. Otherwise, you simply cannot drop Mathematics Extension 2.

 

[Sylfiphy]

I am not entirely sure if I correctly understood your issue. It seems that you dropped another subject that brought your total units down to 10 but you instead want to drop Mathematics Extension 2? If so, then these are two separate matters and the ability to drop Mathematics Extension 2 would require you not to drop the other subject. Otherwise, you simply cannot drop Mathematics Extension 2.

no I don't want to drop 4U, basically my teachers are saying I have to complete all of the advanced assessments for year 12 but they haven't provided any proof that nesa requires this- which is what im looking for, to disprove their claim coz I thought once you do 4U the advanced assessments are neglected

 

[Average Boreduser]

no I don't want to drop 4U, basically my teachers are saying I have to complete all of the advanced assessments for year 12 but they haven't provided any proof that nesa requires this- which is what im looking for, to disprove their claim coz I thought once you do 4U the advanced assessments are neglected

not every school removes the 2u course if you do 4u. My school still makes students do advanced if they take the normal stream. It's very common and its simply because they want students to be reassured that if 4u does not pan out, that there will be an outlet that will still favour your atar (assuming you do adequately well in that course).

 

[Sylfiphy]

not every school removes the 2u course if you do 4u. My school still makes students do advanced if they take the normal stream. It's very common and its simply because they want students to be reassured that if 4u does not pan out, that there will be an outlet that will still favour your atar (assuming you do adequately well in that course).

but I dropped to 10 units so adv won't even count

 

[Average Boreduser]

Im so confused so you do 10units..
2-eng adv, 2-e1, 2-e2, phys- 2, chem-2

thats 10 yes but your 2u can count if you drop 4u so itll be net 10 units anyway

 

[Sylfiphy]

Im so confused so you do 10units..
2-eng adv, 2-e1, 2-e2, phys- 2, chem-2

thats 10 yes but your 2u can count if you drop 4u so itll be net 10 units anyway

oh I see what ur saying but if I drop 4U that means e1 is gonna count for 1 unit - so ill be one unit short

I don't mind doing adv but its wasting my time coz I have multiple assessments in the same week and id rather stud for those than adv

 

[Average Boreduser]

oh I see what ur saying but if I drop 4U that means e1 is gonna count for 1 unit - so ill be one unit short

I don't mind doing adv but its wasting my time coz I have multiple assessments in the same week and id rather stud for those than adv

ohhhh crap i just realised what u meant... id hav a clue atp lol

 

[jimmysmith560]

If you are taking 10 units including Mathematics Extension 2, then there is no point in engaging with the Mathematics Advanced content/assessment items unless Mathematics Advanced content is relevant (you would know more about this particular aspect). If it is not, then you should speak to your teachers about this. If that fails, you can simply do the bare minimum required in Mathematics Advanced and focus your efforts on Mathematics Extension 1 and Mathematics Extension 2, especially since Mathematics Advanced will not count.