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  1. enoilgam

    Same Sex Marriage Debate

    To be honest, if we held a plebiscite on those issues, I guarantee you, it would generate just as much interest (might I add, wealth inequality and stagnant incomes are definitely issues I feel strongly about).
  2. enoilgam

    Same Sex Marriage Debate

    Im actually very religious and at the end of the day, I respect their views irrespective even though I strongly disagree with them. However, Im also very strongly against the culture of my religion and this issue is a small part of the much larger problems I have with it. Personally, I believe...
  3. enoilgam

    Same Sex Marriage Debate

    Which scientific study should I quote from? Scientific and medical consensus clearly indicates that you cannot choose your sexual orientation. Doesn't your viewpoint apply equally to heterosexuality though? Im very strongly heterosexual (never considered the same-sex and admittedly...
  4. enoilgam

    Same Sex Marriage Debate

    Christian churches have been responsible for persecuting LGBT people for many years. In the past, they have opposed all efforts to provide any rights for LGBT people including legalization. Now they wonder why LGBT people direct so much harsh rhetoric towards them? Christianity needs to...
  5. enoilgam

    Same Sex Marriage Debate

    The DSM V doesnt list it as a disorder, nor to any credible medical or psychological bodies. Do you have any proper justification for you view beyond this, or is this just your opinion? Even if I do concede your point that it is a "biological defect", that's not an excuse to justify your view...
  6. enoilgam

    Same Sex Marriage Debate

    It wont set a precedent - the government didn't do this because they wanted to gauge the communities opinion on an important issue. They did it to appease the Liberal far-right who know a plebiscite is their best chance of stopping gay marriage (which was a masterstroke). As much as I dislike...
  7. enoilgam

    Same Sex Marriage Debate

    Which is exactly why the government shouldn't have run a plebiscite on this or any other issue. We voted for a parliament, they should get it done. If it's a no in parliament, then fair enough. I just dont understand why a plebiscite was needed on this when there are a multitude of other...
  8. enoilgam

    Same Sex Marriage Debate

    Im no fan of Safe Schools (it's a good idea, but poorly executed), but man it is so hypocritical of the churches to be arguing that it indoctrinates kids when they have been teaching Christian programs in public schools for years. Id consider that to be a worse form of indoctrination, because...
  9. enoilgam

    Same Sex Marriage Debate

    It really has been a terrible campaign - the narrative needs to be more focused and positive.
  10. enoilgam

    Same Sex Marriage Debate

    Beyond that, I think a no victory really will only delay things by a couple of years. SSM to me is inevitable.
  11. enoilgam

    Same Sex Marriage Debate

    Nonetheless, my point still stands regarding how to use the fear. If Im the Yes campaign, Id be ensuring the media publishes every poll indicating a win for No. Turnout is crucial and there is nothing like the specter of defeat to encourage people to vote. The Yes vote needs young people to...
  12. enoilgam

    Same Sex Marriage Debate

    I agree with this - it should be legalised from a civil standpoint, but religions should be free to decide upon whether they will allow SSM for themselves. This already happens within the Catholic Church, as divorced couples are unable to remarry in the church.
  13. enoilgam

    Same Sex Marriage Debate

    Polling showed Trump was almost certain to lose. He won largely because of silent support. I think it would be wrong to ignore the silent support against gay marriage. The Yes campaign would be wise to capitalise on this fear of a Trump/Brexit moment to solidify their support. Well, it cant...
  14. enoilgam

    Same Sex Marriage Debate

    Im fully expecting the no vote to prevail - ultimately, a plebiscite (and especially a postal plebiscite) is the only chance the no vote has of winning. If anyone thinks the Yes vote is a strong favorite, they need to get their head examined. Ultimately, Im a strong supporter of SSM. Id...
  15. enoilgam

    Individuals have till August 24th to sign up to vote in the postal plebiscite

    The law will contain religious protections from my understanding (which I do fully agree with). That being said, serving gays is like eating pork for Muslims - really. I guess Jesus only surrounded himself with people who held the highest moral standards of his time, like the pharisees - he...
  16. enoilgam

    Why do people choose to do Law?

    I studied law in uni and man dropping out was the best decision I have ever made. My mate is a commercial lawyer and his hours are crazy, he would be working 50-60 hours a week plus weekends. Added to that, the pay is fairly mediocre . Im a public servant and I earn about 25% more and do far...
  17. enoilgam

    Individuals have till August 24th to sign up to vote in the postal plebiscite

    a) This is drawing a tenuous link between one thing and another b) Gay marriage and adoption are seperate issues - at present, gay couples can and do adopt children. So the argument is moot. c) I dont really see how free speech or practice is going to be affected. Churches wont have to marry...
  18. enoilgam

    Individuals have till August 24th to sign up to vote in the postal plebiscite

    I agree, however, I do think irrespective of the outcome, gay marriage is inevitable. Ultimately, I think success for the No campaign could prove to be a Pyrrhic victory. If gay marriage is enacted now, the No campaign could push for religious protections. However, the churches (who...
  19. enoilgam

    Individuals have till August 24th to sign up to vote in the postal plebiscite

    It's just to satisfy the conservative/religious wing of the Liberal Party, nothing more. The No campaign really doesnt have much justification for their views beyond "I dont agree with it". Gay marriage isnt being forced upon people so I dont see the issue. I dont like Green Tea, but I...
  20. enoilgam

    Individuals have till August 24th to sign up to vote in the postal plebiscite

    It's complete nonsense - Im not familiar with the legalities but I wouldn't be surprised if the liberals instituted the postal vote because they know it wont survive a court challenge. Plebiscite, postal plebiscite or nothing, these are just stalling tactics. Even if the no vote prevails, this...
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