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No they don't or they would be tangible costs... illegalising isn't a word, I assume you mean criminlising/out-lawing in which case we need only look at the ineffectualness of government prohibition in regard to illegal drugs. They do provide a reasonably free environment for us all. I do not...

Imagine if WA secede

Your mountain biking will no doubt one day but added strain on the healthcare system due to joint injuries and what not, than you benefit in terms of fitness compared to say swimming or road cycling, should we ban it too? Because cunts get to me, I mean.

Okay, so you agree that they are not a weight on the healthcare system (infact smoking tax prior to this would cover about 12.5% of the entire health budget, so like, yeh), it becomes a question of whether or not you think the government has a right to impinge on people's freedom to act in a...

I do not deny this, I am an engineer first and foremost, wish I had time to read more on economics.

because it is not the governments job to dictate people's lives. The result of smokers is a net benefit to the country, in terms of real tangible dollars. The intangible costs (which in this context is loss of life, yes they are putting a price on people, which is ridiculous in and of itself) is...

yeah, read it, cost to the community, half of which is intangibles and the majority of the rest is "lost production", I have addressed this. from your own link: Total healthcare: 318.4 million, so smokers pay 20 times what they cost, is that what you're saying? Edit: you're right though...

babysitters with guns. Tax everyone 100% and then give them enough money to live. If you don't like it you can fuck off to a reeducation camp

no it doesn't you're a fuckstick and don't know what you're talking about. If you are going so fast and operating at V02 max you would be past anyone smoking in fractions of a second.

hahah fuck off a tiny bit of passive smoke does not make it hard to breath you fuckstick. Although it may smell the affect on respiration is negligible.

I know right, I have said this about 4 times now. [/SIZE] http://www.publish.csiro.au/?act=view_file&file_id=NB04021.pdf

No they don't.

sorry I didn't know your legs were broken. Discomfort is not a reason for banning something

"public space"

Wait was someone forcing you to sit there at gunpoint?

If the church isn't making money and is giving back to the community they wouldn't pay any tax anyway.

ban all cars and truck and motorcycles too, so pman can walk down the street and breath fresh air

you're assuming we agree with a graduated tax system when I think all of us will concur that a flat rate with less loopholes would be better. Edit: and yes, 45% on the dollar is fucking robbery.

indeed.

yeah I'd just like to point out that of the supposed 30 bn a year that cigarettes cost each year about half is in intangibles (people dying, essentially) and then of the tangible costs the majority is in "lost production" due to people retiring earlier and shit. I find this implication that...