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Not entirely, complete peace is ideological, however, I still think it is something we should strive towards as much as we can.

Exactly. The burden of proof rests on Iheartgays to suggest why pedophilia is related to homosexuality in any relevant way, as she made the argument in the first place. It is not an acceptable defence to just refute every argument made by the oposition, but actually provide definitive evidence...

This does not, in and of itself, suggest that everything on Wikipedia is wrong.

And, in this case, it's not even a majority opinion, as outlined by my previous post.

Rise in support for gay marriage Hmm. Now, I don't know about you, but I would take '3 in 5' as being the majority....

Um...you evidently ignored the remainder of the post.

Um...how?

Hey...need some backup in the NCAP forum...on the gay issue...please help. :D

Hey...do you mind giving me some backup in the NCAP forum? I admire your arguing style, you're more effective than I am.

That is because pedophilia does not occur between consenting adults, whereas homosexual relationships *do*. I am for equality within the premise that granting such equality will not negatively impact on defenseless groups within society.

Hmm. So the law that said it was okay to take away Aboriginal children was 'right', was it?

And this proves that Murphyad is wrong how?

It's important because gays are not some separate little group that live on their own island. They live in Australia, are part of the same Australian society as straights, a country that purports to value equality. The issue affects those straights who want to be true to these important values...

Exactly.

This argument does not prove why kids should not be raised in gay families, as it does not point out anything intrinsically wrong with gay families, it simply uses the law to justify the morality of this issue, which contains the suppressed premise that the law is inherently right and neverchanging.

Agreed totally. The notion of 'deservedness' and 'the punishment fitting the crime' becomes problematic after a certain point. How can we possibly reciprocate the amount of cruelty within crimes such as mass murder and rape? And even if we could, this is incredibly inhumane, and simply makes us...

Oh. Ok. So let's reinstate slavery because, by giving African-Americans freedom, we've taken away the right of white people to choose to have a servant.

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