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  1. Zeitgeist308

    "Communism is the greatest evil unleashed on humanity"

    Sorry love, that's not communism. We've been over this a million times already in this thread. Please either flick back through the thread and educate yourself. There is no communism in China and there never was. Any Maoist will tell you this. They assert that "Socialism" existed during Mao's...
  2. Zeitgeist308

    "Communism is the greatest evil unleashed on humanity"

    As I stated previously, those like myself, influenced by the Left-Communist tradition see class consciousness as an organic product of the class itself. Consciousness exists in what some may call a "dialectical" relationship to struggle where it is only through the struggle that the class...
  3. Zeitgeist308

    "Communism is the greatest evil unleashed on humanity"

    The quote should read like this: "Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? 'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to your employer.' 'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to state.' 'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.' I rejected those answers; instead I...
  4. Zeitgeist308

    "Communism is the greatest evil unleashed on humanity"

    Capitalist production and private ownership as compared with communist production and collective ownership are not "views" they are social relations. It is thus incorrect to say that capitalism can contain within itself different "views" (which are in reality different modes of production)...
  5. Zeitgeist308

    "Communism is the greatest evil unleashed on humanity"

    Please explain how I am being idealistic? Did it ever occur to you that it is yourself who is being the idealist by forcing upon me questions of an immaterial future society? You are assuming a dichotomy between the self-interest of the individual and cooperative labour and communal ownership...
  6. Zeitgeist308

    "Communism is the greatest evil unleashed on humanity"

    Thank you for your criticism of the article, I find many of them to be valid but I do have sum responses. I'm sorry but I don't see it. Would you care to draw it out a little more clearly for me as I thought it to be a rather humorous way of putting it. Of course not. Despite assuming an...
  7. Zeitgeist308

    "Communism is the greatest evil unleashed on humanity"

    Let me begin by saying that I appreciate your taking of this debate seriously (unlike others). As such I will try to answer your thoughts and criticism to the best of my ability. 1. Your thoughts and points you bring up below do not seem to correspond to the reading material you cite here...
  8. Zeitgeist308

    "Communism is the greatest evil unleashed on humanity"

    You are not entirely incorrect, however you are (like all most every other poster hitherto) still making this same assertion with no evidence to back it up. I have provided an argument which you can read in my previous posts (note in particular the article The Perspective of Communism from the...
  9. Zeitgeist308

    "Communism is the greatest evil unleashed on humanity"

    There is no such thing as a "communist government" or "communist state". The very term itself is internally contradictory as communism is by definition stateless. Marxism is not an "ideology" which you put into practice. Marxism is the theoretical expression of the class struggle and communism...
  10. Zeitgeist308

    "Communism is the greatest evil unleashed on humanity"

    1. You do not "follow" communism, just as you do not "follow" capitalism. Both are modes of production who's foundations lie in the level of development of the productive forces are are defined above all by the social relations of production. You don't choose your social relations, they are...
  11. Zeitgeist308

    "Communism is the greatest evil unleashed on humanity"

    Your right, hence:"The original question has been answered subsequently." My my, shame on me for actually quoting Marx. In future I will ensure that I misrepresent him and provide no evidence to back up my assertions. Read first, then type (It makes you look less like an idiot) *My...
  12. Zeitgeist308

    "Communism is the greatest evil unleashed on humanity"

    My apologises (How many pages back was it, I didn't see it :uhoh:) Sorry, but that is not what we call shifting the burden of proof. That's what we call dodging the question with a smart-ass remark. The original question has been answered subsequently. Please FP, give up. You lost, all your...
  13. Zeitgeist308

    "Communism is the greatest evil unleashed on humanity"

    As I'm no expert in Marxian economics and since the words "digital" and "information economy" are rather vague and I am not certain of what you are speaking of I hope this answers your question: First of all I believe you are conflating two separate issues: exploitation and artificial...
  14. Zeitgeist308

    "Communism is the greatest evil unleashed on humanity"

    They will be distributed based on the need of the consumer in accordance with the social plan (made democratically by the population itself). If you want to know as to how can can determine "need" and what a store (maybe a "distribution centre" would be a better word) would look like and the...
  15. Zeitgeist308

    "Communism is the greatest evil unleashed on humanity"

    The social plan is not enforced by anyone. The rational social plan is the plan for the production of goods. It is dictated and decided upon by the the people themselves based on the production of "use-values" (as opposed to "exchange-values" in capitalist production relations) and the...
  16. Zeitgeist308

    "Communism is the greatest evil unleashed on humanity"

    That is of course unless you want to starve or in the case you own a small patch of land can grow your own food without the need for running water or electricity. Gee, and here's me working like a sucker. Oh so easy indeed when the vast majority of the worlds population is bereft of productive...
  17. Zeitgeist308

    "Communism is the greatest evil unleashed on humanity"

    But here you contradict yourself, whilst on the one hand you claim labour is "essential to a society" and yet you also claim that "unenjoyable" labour (however we define this assuming different individual capacities and preferences ie. some like working with their hands, others with their head...
  18. Zeitgeist308

    "Communism is the greatest evil unleashed on humanity"

    To re-quote Engels for the third time in this thread: But, the transformation — either into joint-stock companies and trusts, or into State-ownership — does not do away with the capitalistic nature of the productive forces. In the joint-stock companies and trusts, this is obvious. And the...
  19. Zeitgeist308

    "Communism is the greatest evil unleashed on humanity"

    Your right, after all, some people want to be exploited... Well actually that's true an false. Whilst capitalism can retain the remnants of superseded social relationships within itself (ie. chattel slavery and semi-fuedal relations) it is always pushed to expand and introduce capitalistic...
  20. Zeitgeist308

    "Communism is the greatest evil unleashed on humanity"

    I think you under estimate human tendencies (humanities conscious and creative will)
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