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yes, I'm not arguing against a low starting point and then movement to a high one. i say: there's no point in us doing anything unless it's part of a global agreement (which may encompass the facets you've just spoken about). it's delusionary to think other countries will "follow suit". i mean...

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then why is the focus of Christianity on the doctrine of salvation, rather than just purely affirming God's doing everything (which is supposedly the focus of religion)

these ppl are not true christians, they are just extreme political Christians, they would go to hell imo unless they repent

i never suggested that. just getting sidetracked

yes. i trust journos at journalism and scientists in science. wierd isnt it? will the carbon tax really help global warming. no, because we will actually increase our emissions rather than decrease them. i know this is not taking into account growth, but that makes no difference on the ground...

i thought we couldnt do this to china and india

THe fact that there are 1056 pages says something in itself: humans long and search for a god. the only differences is that atheists make themselves god (this is not intended to be insulting, you believe you are master of your own life, no annoying religion to tell what to do or not do)

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that's true. u actually need sub arguments between different religions and atheism. i hope the above wasn't actually an attempt to argue for atheism!

that's true. u actually need sub arguments between different religions and atheism. i hope the above wasn't actually an attempt to argue for atheism!

understood! however they could have said that "its our moral duty to do our bit, regardless of what everyone else does... other wise our green god will send us to green hell!" im not against us being average in terms of what other countries are doing, so we are not embarrassed on the...

1) the carbon tax wont do this 2) you forgot china and india; the crisis cant be averted at all if the us, china and india dont take part 3) noone cares about what australia does, this wont convince any big emitter (or small emitter) to join any scheme, the only way to do this is a signed global...

1) evidence? example? 2) that's a political view which everyone has the right to have or not have. i would be against christians going around and killing ppl who promote stem cell research would you please admit that ur comparison of killing in Islam and being against certain moral points...

how do you know? has ur approach been tried in any country yet? because these local level customs are bound to degenerate fairly quickly (correct me if u have evidence to the contrary)

yes, they battled in order to achieve this.

what are the points supporting it? so you can sleep better at night?

how have they restricted the freedom of homosexuals? they may not accept homosexuality, but the church hasn't gone and killed homosexuals. also, how have they restricted stem cell research. catholics may vote again such laws, but this is democracy. also, this doesn't compare with the murder...

how come ur a member of the young liberals group?

how about the part that this is a wealth redistribution scheme?