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    Atheism - Discussion thread

    Maybe I should have clarified; what is immoral is prmoting your own agenda above your devotion to God, and the following of His rules. As a Christian there are plenty of wholesome things to which you can devote your life (art, research and charity for example). None of these are immoral...
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    Homosexuality in Australia

    Can you clarify plox?
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    Atheism - Discussion thread

    How is devoting all my efforts to another and submitting to His rules in any way selfishly promoting my own interests? Acting in self interest is not immoral its acting not in the interest of God, which is immoral.
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    Homosexuality in Australia

    Lol... you don't get it. Race is not of concern. God did not say, marriage is between a man and a women of x race only. But it is clear from all relgious teachings that homosexual relationships are not valid. A white person marrying a black person is just as right as two white people...
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    Atheism - Discussion thread

    Heaven is not the goal. Following God is not out of my desire to save my own behiend. The goal is to live a morally righteous life, to love God and to glorify Him in this life. Heaven is the reward for a sincere attempt at accomplishing this selfless goal. It is my love for Him and...
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    Homosexuality in Australia

    Yea but why should a minority be able to contest its definition simply to progress its own agenda and add it to a list of "accomplishments" hoping that somehow it will as a result gain greater acceptance? Marriage to the Christian means more than simply a party and a ring, and an element of...
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    Atheism - Discussion thread

    Yes, but true love doesn't require being loved back as justification to love in the first place. The feeling of love brings happiness. You love her, she loves you, you're both happy, but when one becomes unhappy, your relationship inveitably falls apart. Your relationship is based on your...
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    Atheism - Discussion thread

    I'd bet if she stopped giving you happiness, you would leave the relationship, and wouldn't selflessly remain devoted? Even if she hated you and caused you pain, would you continue loving her back?
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    Atheism - Discussion thread

    Becuase you're following YOUR morals. These are the rules you have decided for yourself, you're still refusing to submit or accept a higher authority. You're still in a state of self-worship. Now we wouldn't have a dispute if the morals you decided for yourself were those that God has...
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    Atheism - Discussion thread

    The athiest is unable to accept that they are not the ultimate authority in their lives. Everything they do is aimed at the selfish goal of advancing their own self interests (not always at the direct expense of others), but living for oneself is a form of self-worship. Sort of like the man...
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    Atheism - Discussion thread

    It is impossible to be morally righteous without being religious. The notion of morality (right and wrong) is completely subjective and not binding on the individual if you abandon the notion of a higher authority than yourself. Athiests are incapable of appreciating true love as I said...
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    Atheism - Discussion thread

    Yes, pretty much. And its not an obligation, its a choice. You are allowed to govern your own actions in this life and do as you please.
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    Atheism - Discussion thread

    Buddy I never forced you to read this. If I was following you around with a megaphone I could see why you are complaining. You must understand however that part of being Christian is about spreading the faith, not forcing it down peoples throats (and I'm not trying to do that). I would...
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    Atheism - Discussion thread

    When Jesus was asked to summarize his religion, he said that it was loving God and our neighbor. Everything else is a means to that end. It would be difficult to summise it in a scentence, but more or less I could accept something along the lines of; To live a morally righteous life, to...
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    Atheism - Discussion thread

    I never said I didn't care about my family, or that they're not important, its just my purpose in life is not direclty tied to them. My family is a decent bunch of people, yours is too (I'm guessing), but there are many people who can't say that. And yes God does exist, it is my faith in Him...
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    Atheism - Discussion thread

    But oh whats the point? Out of a void of no truth emerges no purpose. Athiests can't appreciate love lol... You can hardly say that you exist in this life for your friends (whom its only by chance that you met or that they even exist themselves) or your career (which is an artifical human...
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    Atheism - Discussion thread

    Well, what is it that you (think you) live for? [And I did edit my post from what you replied to but I don't think it matters, oh well].
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    Atheism - Discussion thread

    Nope. I believe my purpose is to live for God. God is not the means by which I justify myself.
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    Atheism - Discussion thread

    But the people who believe in nothing subsequently live for nothing = the smartest people around right?
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    Atheism - Discussion thread

    God is not an observable phenonomon, as everything else we percieve as reality in this universe is. He does not exist within our universe in a strictly physical sense. He isn't a measureable entity. He is not matter, in the sense that He Himself was "created" or came into being at a specific...
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