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2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Rudd? (1 Viewer)
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Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?
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Are the electoral changes written in stone? I don't know who's in charge of Blaxland. I was part of Fowler so that means I was with Julie Irwin and I have no disagreement with her. Still my electorate maintains heartland Labor votes so any other votes would be insignificant. Not that I've registered to vote or any such nonsense.
Are the electoral changes written in stone? I don't know who's in charge of Blaxland. I was part of Fowler so that means I was with Julie Irwin and I have no disagreement with her. Still my electorate maintains heartland Labor votes so any other votes would be insignificant. Not that I've registered to vote or any such nonsense.
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Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?
And who is the author of this article I wonder.Generator said:
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Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?
I’ve got a good feeling that next year will be the same as 98 for Kim.
That campaign was fought with incredible guts and huge success, against all the odds.
He must privately know that an 07 victory is a big ask, but he's bringing the party back from the brink of oblivion - again.
He's never really had ambitions for the top job - evidenced in the perhaps 'lazy' style of the unlosable 2001.
He's a sort of transitional fellow, waiting for another bloodthirsty go-getter like Keating. Thoroughly respectable and modest.
Why dont the plebs love him?
I’ve got a good feeling that next year will be the same as 98 for Kim.
That campaign was fought with incredible guts and huge success, against all the odds.
He must privately know that an 07 victory is a big ask, but he's bringing the party back from the brink of oblivion - again.
He's never really had ambitions for the top job - evidenced in the perhaps 'lazy' style of the unlosable 2001.
He's a sort of transitional fellow, waiting for another bloodthirsty go-getter like Keating. Thoroughly respectable and modest.
Why dont the plebs love him?
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Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?
I don't understand why people would vote Liberal when Howard promised no interest rate rises. Do people like being lied to by John Howard? Do they like seeing him take a shit on his election promises? Maybe at 67 he's getting senile.
I don't understand why people would vote Liberal when Howard promised no interest rate rises. Do people like being lied to by John Howard? Do they like seeing him take a shit on his election promises? Maybe at 67 he's getting senile.
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Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?
He did however say that interest rates would be lower under a coalition government, than a labor one.
It is therefore Beazley who is the one lying by misrepresenting the coalition's claim. (referring to the comments he made on the issue yesterday and today)
He never promised that interest rates would not rise. Nobody could make that claim.poloktim said:
He did however say that interest rates would be lower under a coalition government, than a labor one.
It is therefore Beazley who is the one lying by misrepresenting the coalition's claim. (referring to the comments he made on the issue yesterday and today)
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Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?
if labor wins, we're going back to keating days :mad1: i like it how it is, libs for 07
if labor wins, we're going back to keating days :mad1: i like it how it is, libs for 07
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Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?
Meh, Crikey.
Im liking how this election is shaping up to be about petrol - probably forcing Labor into an internally divisive energy debate at odds with middle-Australia's everything now philosophy?
Kim's already begun to call the bluff since he jumped out of the party's yellow cake - which is much more than can be said about Iron Mark's response to the Interest rate campaign.
Meh, Crikey.
Im liking how this election is shaping up to be about petrol - probably forcing Labor into an internally divisive energy debate at odds with middle-Australia's everything now philosophy?
Kim's already begun to call the bluff since he jumped out of the party's yellow cake - which is much more than can be said about Iron Mark's response to the Interest rate campaign.
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Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?
As much as I hate Beazley, im gonna have to vote for him.
As much as I hate Beazley, im gonna have to vote for him.
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Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?
on todays daily telegraph, go to page 23, down the bottom, there's an article that says 'we're 3 times richer in the howard era' read that article, very interesting
on todays daily telegraph, go to page 23, down the bottom, there's an article that says 'we're 3 times richer in the howard era' read that article, very interesting
Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?
If Beazley manages to pull off a win, it will be due to either: a) higher interest rates, b) economic slowdown/WorkChoices backlash or c) further increased petrol prices. The man capitalises on failures or problems, and pretends he has an answer. Apart from WorkChoices he doesn't want to change anything fundamental.
His stratagem is simple:
1) find out what concerns people through polls. Create an expression of outrage at given problem, remedies or solutions can be thought through later or not at all.
2) Have no fundamental differences with the Liberal Party except for union backing. Any difference between ALP and LP leaves ALP exposed to attack, which they don't have the balls to counter.
3) Increase 'economic credibility', by appeasing to business groups as much as possible. We don't want to be offside with the big end of town. Look what happened to Latham.
He is truly pathetic. As Latham said, he was a man beholden to union powerbrokers, and above all, deeply scared of change. Until the ALP offers a clear policy differentiation between itself and the Liberals, the electorate will have little reason to vote them in. The only way to achieve this, i believe, is to make a concerted shift to the left, which is never going to happen.
[end beazley rant/]
If Beazley manages to pull off a win, it will be due to either: a) higher interest rates, b) economic slowdown/WorkChoices backlash or c) further increased petrol prices. The man capitalises on failures or problems, and pretends he has an answer. Apart from WorkChoices he doesn't want to change anything fundamental.
His stratagem is simple:
1) find out what concerns people through polls. Create an expression of outrage at given problem, remedies or solutions can be thought through later or not at all.
2) Have no fundamental differences with the Liberal Party except for union backing. Any difference between ALP and LP leaves ALP exposed to attack, which they don't have the balls to counter.
3) Increase 'economic credibility', by appeasing to business groups as much as possible. We don't want to be offside with the big end of town. Look what happened to Latham.
He is truly pathetic. As Latham said, he was a man beholden to union powerbrokers, and above all, deeply scared of change. Until the ALP offers a clear policy differentiation between itself and the Liberals, the electorate will have little reason to vote them in. The only way to achieve this, i believe, is to make a concerted shift to the left, which is never going to happen.
[end beazley rant/]
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Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?
Beazley's incident with Wilson Tuckey in front of parliament yesterday does nothing to help him. It invokes thoughts of that Latham unpredictability. Sure it reflects poorly on Tuckey as well, however he isn’t the one aspiring to be Prime Minister.
What he should have done was maintain a degree of substance and rationality to his response to Tuckey, but instead he descended to shallow personal attacks. I for one could not picture Howard snapping in such a manner.
It says much about the man. He is all huff and puff; all talk, little substance.
Beazley's incident with Wilson Tuckey in front of parliament yesterday does nothing to help him. It invokes thoughts of that Latham unpredictability. Sure it reflects poorly on Tuckey as well, however he isn’t the one aspiring to be Prime Minister.
What he should have done was maintain a degree of substance and rationality to his response to Tuckey, but instead he descended to shallow personal attacks. I for one could not picture Howard snapping in such a manner.
It says much about the man. He is all huff and puff; all talk, little substance.
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Personally the border protection bill is pretty disgusting. I really hope it gets watered down in the senate. I'll keel over if its the start of the Liberal party resorting to the race card next election.
If you take his promise literally, as you want us to, it is a totally hollow and useless promise. Suggesting that under the Liberals interest rates will be lower than the ALP is hardly a promise of any worth. The last time the ALP was in interest rates hit 17%. It was 1988. The world was a very different place and Australian was going through signficant economic restructuring.
Are you telling me that if interest rates went up to 10% (Lower than it has ever been under the ALP) John Howard would be out there telling everyone how wonderful and successful he was at how he kept his promise to keep interest rates lower than the ALP? Would he be out there telling everyone that he keeps interest rates low? I can assure you that an interest rate of 10% now would hurt Australia more than the 17% hurt Australia in 1988. It only adds to the fact that comparing rates across generations is not exactly the best measure.
Gimmie a break. Don't turn into a Liberal Party Parrot. You more shit you feed out like that the more I get the impression that you are stereotypical blue blood Liberal Kings School fellow who wants to fellate John Howard simply because of his breeding. I'd like to assume otherwise but the more you post without opposition in the thread the more inclined I am to believe that such an assessment is correct.
Partly true. Wilson Tucky is an idiot, always has been in my opinion. It probably would have been better for Big Kim to not lower himself to Wilson's level and remind him that the border protection bill has nothing to do with border protection but rather than appeasing Indonesia (ie push the party line)Rafy said:
Personally the border protection bill is pretty disgusting. I really hope it gets watered down in the senate. I'll keel over if its the start of the Liberal party resorting to the race card next election.
You have to admit that is not the impression that many in the electorate took.Rafy said:
If you take his promise literally, as you want us to, it is a totally hollow and useless promise. Suggesting that under the Liberals interest rates will be lower than the ALP is hardly a promise of any worth. The last time the ALP was in interest rates hit 17%. It was 1988. The world was a very different place and Australian was going through signficant economic restructuring.
Are you telling me that if interest rates went up to 10% (Lower than it has ever been under the ALP) John Howard would be out there telling everyone how wonderful and successful he was at how he kept his promise to keep interest rates lower than the ALP? Would he be out there telling everyone that he keeps interest rates low? I can assure you that an interest rate of 10% now would hurt Australia more than the 17% hurt Australia in 1988. It only adds to the fact that comparing rates across generations is not exactly the best measure.
Gimmie a break. Don't turn into a Liberal Party Parrot. You more shit you feed out like that the more I get the impression that you are stereotypical blue blood Liberal Kings School fellow who wants to fellate John Howard simply because of his breeding. I'd like to assume otherwise but the more you post without opposition in the thread the more inclined I am to believe that such an assessment is correct.
Oh dear god no! A politician putting their own interpretation on the othersides words in order to score points. John Howard would never ever do that! God forbid heaven forfend!
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I think that traditional labor policies vs traditional liberal policies, it's more likely that the lib policies would lead to lower interest rates on a pure ideological level. But at the same time I do think both parties have changed and there'd be little difference on Labors side.
I do wonder however, how labor intends to keep australia's economy the way it's going, without a 'wages race to the bottom', which I do agree is happening under the liberals. Do they have some industry they're going to throw more money into to get it up to world standards?
I think that traditional labor policies vs traditional liberal policies, it's more likely that the lib policies would lead to lower interest rates on a pure ideological level. But at the same time I do think both parties have changed and there'd be little difference on Labors side.
I do wonder however, how labor intends to keep australia's economy the way it's going, without a 'wages race to the bottom', which I do agree is happening under the liberals. Do they have some industry they're going to throw more money into to get it up to world standards?
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Most of this is highly and I repeat highly hypothetical.
'Workchoices' will be watered down and given a new name. The ALP well knows that labour market reform is essential. Hence when any politician says 'rip up' they mean alter and give it a new name. Hmm what else. Border security policy would change slightly. The rhetoric would be less harsh. Our relationship with the US would be the same, under the ALP there would be a greater chance of Australian troops pulling out. The ALP would be less enthusiastic about sending troops of to war. If the ALP did send it's troops overseas it would talk about security and the need to give support rather than big noting itself as being a part of the war on terror. Certainly last week it seemed like Howard was proud to delcare that it is possible that Australian troops could die in Afghanistan.
Largely true. Both approaches have plues and minuses.Not-That-Bright said:
In all honestly I don't think the ALP would differ all that much to the Liberals. Not much really seperates them. It's mainly rhetoric and ideology.
Most of this is highly and I repeat highly hypothetical.
'Workchoices' will be watered down and given a new name. The ALP well knows that labour market reform is essential. Hence when any politician says 'rip up' they mean alter and give it a new name. Hmm what else. Border security policy would change slightly. The rhetoric would be less harsh. Our relationship with the US would be the same, under the ALP there would be a greater chance of Australian troops pulling out. The ALP would be less enthusiastic about sending troops of to war. If the ALP did send it's troops overseas it would talk about security and the need to give support rather than big noting itself as being a part of the war on terror. Certainly last week it seemed like Howard was proud to delcare that it is possible that Australian troops could die in Afghanistan.
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Yea, I agree with all of the above.
Yea, I agree with all of the above.