Aboriginal children in care now exceeds stolen generations (1 Viewer)

[katie tully]

"These people survived thousands of years living on hunting and gathering and clothing"...wtf is this supposed to mean?

It means if they want to live in the middle of nowhere as traditionalists, they can forfeit their "right" to welfare or any other forms of assistance.

 

[katie tully]

Not paying them is pretty stupid. You can't punish them for living there. Not paying them is gonna make it harder to live there and harder to leave. They're already disadvantaged and you propose to withold payments to make them even more disadvantaged.
That's terrible logic, I surprised because some of your posts show that ur smart but others make me want to throttle you. What's up?

It's not about punishing them. It's about making a choice. Here's the choice -
a. Move somewhere bigger, get a job stfu
b. Live traditionally, and forfeit any welfare assistance you may think you're entitled to.

Why should they get paid to live traditionally? They don't need money, they're living off the land. Free health care is still available if they need it.

It's not viable to pour a disproportionate amount of money into building up communities with a population of 100 uneducated Aboriginals. (It's disproportionate because you're spending more per person than you do on bigger areas that actually need infrastructure maintained)

No dice.

 

[katie tully]

Taking welfare away will worsen poverty especially within those families who depend on it and don't spend it on subsances.

Fucking wake up dipshit. Nobody said take it away from those who are using it responsibly. Show me where somebody said that. The idea would be to remove or QUARANTINE welfare payments from those who abuse it (i.e. vouchers for food, electricity, clothes, school, etc). Those with a known history of drug abuse and neglect would have to demonstrate that they can use the welfare money for essentials, and any that can't should have their kids removed and their welfare cut off (I think the benchmark is 8 weeks)
In those 8 weeks they might get a fucking job if they wan't to continue eating.

 

[katie tully]

What makes them so different to the rest of the Australian population when so many migrants here don't know English yet still manage to succeed?

Coz der land waz dispossessed lolz!

 

[boris]

LOl im 13

 

[katie tully]

LOl im 13

reporting u!

 

[katie tully]

There are currently 51 extra police serving 18 communities that had no police presence before the Emergency Response. Their duties include community-engagement activities, such as coaching the local AFL team or monitoring the local pool, to ensure that people in communities trust the police and can communicate
with them.

Since police have become part of the community, people feel safer and there has been a positive impact on the numbers of intoxicated people in the community and incidents of domestic violence and substance abuse. As opposed to wanting less involvement by police, communities are expressing a desire for police to engage with them more, at all levels. A number of people have expressed the view that, as a result of the policing services provided, they feel they are regaining control
of their community.

More than 13,300 people in NTER communities and town camps currently have their welfare payments managed by Centrelink. Income management is a central measure in the Northern Territory Emergency Response, ensuring that
money provided to help children is used for their benefit and providing increased financial security for people raising children.

Every community member who is receiving a relevant Centrelink payment receives 50 per cent of their payment in the usual way, while the other 50 per cent is reserved to pay for priority needs, such as food, clothing, housing, transport and utilities.

People on income management meet with a Centrelink officer to agree on how the money will be allocated to best meet the needs of the household. Funds that are income managed cannot be used to purchase items such as alcohol, tobacco, pornography or gambling products.

So far more than 90 per cent of income-managed money has been spent on priority needs. There are early indications from store operators that shopping habits are changing, with community people buying more fresh fruit and vegetables, dairy goods, frozen vegetables and meat. Sales of cigarettes at community stores have approximately halved. Customers are also saving for the
purchase of whitegoods, such as fridges, so they can store fresh food at home.

Analysis of 7733 child health checks undertaken
shows that:
w 66.9 per cent of children have received one or more referrals
w 32.1 per cent of children have been referred for dental care
w 37.7 per cent of children have been referred for further primary health care
w 11.8 per cent of children have been referred to a paediatrician
w 8.2 per cent of children have been referred for specialist ear, nose and throat services.

SIHIP will provide:
w about 750 new houses including new subdivisions
w more than 230 new houses to replace houses to be demolished
w more than 2500 housing upgrades
w essential infrastructure to support new houses
w improvements to living conditions in town camps.

Of the $547 million for SIHIP, $420 million will be directed to 16 high-need communities for major capital works. This will include building new homes and upgrades to existing dwellings. More than $124 million of refurbishments will be funded in 57 other Indigenous communities. A further $98 million will be set aside for town camps and urban living areas, and $5 million for a small number of existing housing programs.

http://www.facs.gov.au/nter/docs/reports/nter_review.pdf



OMG DA INTERVENTION WAS SO RACIST!(!&$(*)

 

[boris]

fucking racist motherfuckers

 

[katie tully]

government statistics revealed that of the 7433 Aboriginal children examined by doctors as part of the “national emergency”, 39 had been referred to the authorities for suspected abuse.

Yeah cool. Now have a read about the mechanisms behind the abuse checks. They were already being implemented across the NT prior to the Intervention. The only difference was, the intervention implemented on a larger scale. They were also voluntary checks

Individual health checks on children were not recommended in the Ampe akelyernemane meke mekarle: “little children are sacred” report,3 but the Australian Government initially talked about compulsory forensic examinations of all children to ascertain a level of sexual abuse. This would have been a form of assault if carried out, and it is likely that no doctor would have agreed to participate in such a process.

the initial suggestion of compulsory sexual examinations generated widespread fear and misinformation about the health checks. It has taken much work to explain to Aboriginal communities that these were the same checks that were already being done by ACCHSs. The only reason they had not already been provided to all Aboriginal children was a lack of resources.

http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/187_11_031207/bof11305_fm.html

 

[hpdanemma]

People who abuse other people have grown up in an unstable and/or abusive environment, therefore have adapted to these norms and inflict it on their children. Without assistance/help/intervention, this cycle continues and that's just the way it is. Because of THINGS IN THE PAST, more Aboriginals live and are raised in this environment.
The welfare payments in themselves are fairly unsuccessful. However, welfare reform programs are being put in place and the government IS TRYING to help! Which is more than just bitching about how Aboriginal's are taking tax payers money etc etc.
The government isn't going to turn its back on an entire cultural group because many of them abuse the money that is given due to their upbringing and living situations [which we as a nation put them in to begin with].
The way society works is that we have a duty of care and moral responsibility towards ALL MEMBERS OF SOCIETY. The government isn't about to stop giving payments to a large, general scale of people due to its misues by it's members. That's just not fair to the people NOT abusing the system. An alternative solution is trying to be found, one that involves care for people as a whole and atleast some element of understanding.

Have fun kiddies

 

[Riet]

That's bullshit. Anyone who thinks physically and sexually abusing children is "the norm" is scum and doesn't deserve a fucking cent from the government.

 

[boris]

That's bullshit. Anyone who thinks physically and sexually abusing children is "the norm" is scum and doesn't deserve a fucking cent from the government.

Riet, Aboriginals dont know that rape is illegal.

 

[sthcross.dude]

If you don't like someone, its always a good move to link them or their whole group to child abuse.

 

[hpdanemma]

That's bullshit. Anyone who thinks physically and sexually abusing children is "the norm" is scum and doesn't deserve a fucking cent from the government.

And everyone who is found out doing those things DOESNT GET A FUCKING CENT FROM THE GOVERNMENT!

 

[RSVPixie]

And everyone who is found out doing those things DOESNT GET A FUCKING CENT FROM THE GOVERNMENT!

hear, hear! anyone who commits such a crime isnt given money, they are sent to jail. That is why the law exists; to keep the greater community safe. And whether or not they are aboriginal makes no difference.

 

[hpdanemma]

As I recall, people tend to go to jail for physical and sexual abuse.
And that has nothing to do with ones race, religion, gender, sexual orientation or age.

You're suggesting by disadvantaging and sterotyping an entire racial group, we are actually forwarding society and getting rid of 'scum'?

If you think about things for one second, you'll realise things aren't that simple. In any situation.

 

[Will Shakespear]

I don't have any problem with the gov "giving money to" the aborigines... maybe they need to spend even more than they're spending now. The issue is a bit of an international embarrassment and it'd be worthwhile to spend $$$ now to fix the problem.

But it doesn't make sense to demand city living conditions in small remote communities [just because the inhabitants are indigenous]. Even if you pay billions to get good hospitals and schools in small communities, they'll never be self-sustainable, and the communities will always be enormous welfare blackholes, where huge amounts of money have to be spent every year to maintain decent conditions.

It's highly unlikely that anyone would even suggest doing so for some random small community of white people...

Instead the money should be used to provide incentives for the people there to better themselves; e.g. help them move to a larger town, get a job.

If a particular remote community could become capable of sustaining itself, e.g. though the creation of businesses and jobs there, then that could be another option. But in most cases that seems unlikely.

The goal of welfare should be to gradually help them be free of welfare.

Higher expectations also have to be put on the individuals; there can never be any excuses for child abuse. If you keep making excuses for them, you help keep things that way.

 

[boris]

hear, hear! anyone who commits such a crime isnt given money, they are sent to jail. That is why the law exists; to keep the greater community safe. And whether or not they are aboriginal makes no difference.

Excpet abos are the only ones given money to start with lol lol

 

[sthcross.dude]

^ agree with Will Shakespear

 

[boris]

I don't have any problem with the gov "giving money to" the aborigines... maybe they need to spend even more than they're spending now. The issue is a bit of an international embarrassment and it'd be worthwhile to spend $$$ now to fix the problem.

But it doesn't make sense to demand city living conditions in small remote communities [just because the inhabitants are indigenous]. Even if you pay billions to get good hospitals and schools in small communities, they'll never be self-sustainable, and the communities will always be enormous welfare blackholes, where huge amounts of money have to be spent every year to maintain decent conditions.

It's highly unlikely that anyone would even suggest doing so for some random small community of white people...

Instead the money should be used to provide incentives for the people there to better themselves; e.g. help them move to a larger town, get a job.

If a particular remote community could become capable of sustaining itself, e.g. though the creation of businesses and jobs there, then that could be another option. But in most cases that seems unlikely.

The goal of welfare should be to gradually help them be free of welfare.

Higher expectations also have to be put on the individuals; there can never be any excuses for child abuse. If you keep making excuses for them, you help keep things that way.

Good ideas, but what about abos who live in larger towns such as Dubbo, Kempsey and Townsville etc? They aren't in remote communities but have similar problems.