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Zephyrio said:
They would.

Can you imagine how expensive the drugs would cost? Especially if only a select few companies hold the rights to the medicine? I mean people in Australia of all places are still complaining about PBS...
Did you read my posts?

I'm implying that as much as drug companies might want to patent (or rather, commercialise) an AIDS vaccine or cure, I don't think it is a good political move to do so. At all.

Consider India. Country with the biggest AIDS population in the world (low prevalance rate but a massive population). I doubt it would be happy to hear that AIDS victims need to pay up thousands of dollars if they want to live. India, population as big as China's, army as big as China's, more nukes than China. Now consider 13% of AIDS victims live in India. Then you've got the millions in Africa and Russia to contend with. These places do not seem to me like they are going to say "oh you have a patent, we'll just lie down and die".

I dunno, maybe I'm exaggerating it and people around the world wouldn't care if the pharmaceutical companies exploited people with AIDS. I just think the stigma attached to it is so strong that such a move would cause too many problems and controversy.
 

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Slidey said:
Did you read my posts?

I'm implying that as much as drug companies might want to patent (or rather, commercialise) an AIDS vaccine or cure, I don't think it is a good political move to do so. At all.

Consider India. Country with the biggest AIDS population in the world (low prevalance rate but a massive population). I doubt it would be happy to hear that AIDS victims need to pay up thousands of dollars if they want to live. India, population as big as China's, army as big as China's, more nukes than China. Now consider 13% of AIDS victims live in India. Then you've got the millions in Africa and Russia to contend with. These places do not seem to me like they are going to say "oh you have a patent, we'll just lie down and die".

I dunno, maybe I'm exaggerating it and people around the world wouldn't care if the pharmaceutical companies exploited people with AIDS. I just think the stigma attached to it is so strong that such a move would cause too many problems and controversy.
We can't be too idealistic here.

I don't think any company who patents a HIV/AIDS cure/vaccine will give out the rights to everybody. Millions upon millions are living with the condition, and they would be eating off the hands of a select few companies around the world. If we have shortages in medicine for TB, malaria, HIV itself etc, what makes you think companies will not suddenly jump at the opportunity to exploit sufferers (and governments who will, I imagine, buy the bulk of the medicines)? This might not be an issue in say, Australia, where there is a very low % of sufferers, but with all the corruption in Africa, the availability of the medicines would rely mainly on NGOs, and there's no chance in hell we'd be able to cure even most of the sufferers there. Hell, if billions and billions of dollars are being poured into Africa to deal with poverty, then I shudder to think about the AIDS victims over there, knowing full well that there's a cure but beareaucratic forces are preventing access to them.

The more realistic response is: "What the fuck? You've got the medicine but you won't give it to us?"
 
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This news was from about 2 or 3 years ago (the few articles I found on the net when I googled it were all dated in 2006), and I think it wasn't highlighted in international media due to the fact that 'senior scientists of the UN' have yet to verify the findings. Maybe that could be accounted for by the political controversy surrounding the man and the skepticism due to his insistence on the use of religion in his discovery?...

Anyway, here's the interview if anyone wants to take a look.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeFr5t19aQs
 

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fernando said:
survival of the fittest.
Don't be a bullshit artist. That doesn't even apply here because technically the fittest are those who are best at minimising the effects of HIV/AIDS. Small colonies of such resistant groups have in fact evolved in Africa.

Most people these days have no clue what "survival of the fittest means", nor the various exceptions to it which exist in evolution.

Edit: Interestingly, it seems 1% to 2% of Europeans (Brits, Russians, etc) are almost entirely immune to HIV (and hence are essentially completely immune to AIDS) due two having two pairs of an immunity gene mutation. Meanwhile about 20% of Europeans are resistant to HIV/AIDS because they have one of the immunity genes (typically delaying the onset of AIDS by a few years).

Only about 3% of Turks have even one of the immunity genes, whilst the Asians and Negros don't have it at all (except in rare cases such as interbreeding with Europeans).
 
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Wow did you see that movie I am Legend?
 

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But being serious:



Um serious medical trials need to look at 1000s of people. 38 isn't a sample size that is considered large enough to be able to make statements like "a majority of people come to lectures", let alone state some bogus "cure" will cure AIDS.

Fucking hell this people are stupid. Maybe they should stop praying, eat some pork and take some stats classes.
And what has eating pork, not praying and going to stats classes made of you? I did stat last year, it aint made me any better, maybe my transcript looks better.

Also i don't think its a good idea to test 1000 people with TRIAL medicine , which could cause more problems, a small sample size is a better idea.
 

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Slidey said:
Did you read my posts?

I'm implying that as much as drug companies might want to patent (or rather, commercialise) an AIDS vaccine or cure, I don't think it is a good political move to do so. At all.

Consider India. Country with the biggest AIDS population in the world (low prevalance rate but a massive population). I doubt it would be happy to hear that AIDS victims need to pay up thousands of dollars if they want to live. India, population as big as China's, army as big as China's, more nukes than China. Now consider 13% of AIDS victims live in India. Then you've got the millions in Africa and Russia to contend with. These places do not seem to me like they are going to say "oh you have a patent, we'll just lie down and die".
Patenting can be pretty fucked, IMO. Take for example the law suit which took place a while back where some 39 pharmaceutical companies tried to sue South Africa which was trying to ensure cheaper access to certain life saving medications. While the collective prosecutors eventually conceeded that the TRIPS agreement they waved about did, in fact, permit SA's actions (i.e. it permits compulsory licensing, whereby competent countries can override patent protection in the case of emergencies, and parallel importing) their actions nonetheless caused countless individuals to die as a consequence of the several year delay that the lawsuit generated.

After that event, though, I think at least some progress was made at the WTO Doha development round. As a way of spelling things out, the Doha Declaration states "the TRIPS Agreement does not and should not prevent Members from taking measures to protect public health" (from WHO page). Most relevant, perhaps, is paragraph 5(c), which clarifies the statement that competent governments will be afforded the right to grant compulsory licenses in cases of national emergency (amongst others), stating:

"Each Member has the right to determine what constitutes a national
emergency or other circumstances of extreme urgency, it being
understood that public health crises, including those relating to
HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, malaria and other epidemics, can represent a
national emergency or other circumstances of extreme urgency."


An issue which remains, however, is that countries with little or no manufacturing capacity are unlikely to be able to make much use of such compulsory licensing because it does not permit countries to export and profit from these licenses (though I'm not clear on the specifics here...). This then means that a) countries can't simply import cheap medicines from other countries making use of compulsory licenses and b) it is hardly viable to set up a pharmaceutical industry from scratch whose goal is to produce dirt cheap products in the absence of an export industry (how are they to be financed?). I don't know whether the WTO has found a solution to this which is deemed 'acceptable' (euphamism for 'economically advantageous'? or are we so idealistic as to read it as 'just'?) by the relevant parties.

For those thinking about whinging about the PBS, pause for a second. We're some of the lucky ones.
 

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I think it makes a lot of sense to use a small sample size. 1) if it is dangerous, you want to minimise damage caused, 2) if it doesn't work you want to minimise cost, 3) you want to get a rough indication of success rate to see if further trials are worth it.

I've seen lots of medical studies which use small sample sizes, often for valid reasons (e.g. a low degree of variability between people for event x, such as the presence of, say, a certain chemical like dopamine, or for studies which are more qualitative than quantitative, such as the one discussed in this thread).

My point is: a big sample size is not always desirable or necessary in every study.

KFunk: Thanks for the info. I hope some more developments are made here. Places like Lesotho for example have recently moved from 1/4 HIV/AIDS prevalence to 1/3. HIV is one swift little killer - it's only really been around in humans for about 30 years.
 

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Ye tru, thats what i was thinking earlier.
With sample sizes it depends on the application your applying to. Like medicine is a crucial thing and u dont want to infect a 1000 people, rather infect a small group. If successful within the small group the you can increase the sample size, depends what level your at with the research i guess.
 

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lol who knows. I Also found that there may be a possible cure for cancer which was found last year, but i never heard of it as well until recently. Apparently the cure is very simple, and due to this simplicity its easy to copy hence no profit made.

But there is one thing that is proven to work. Ive seen on an international channel that a medicine (natural) called Alpha rice helps with many health problems including cancer. They showed two people, one of which with liver cancer and after using alpha rice for 6months the cancer size decreased from 10cm to 1cm?? The other guy had throat cancer and he had lost all his voice but after alpha rice regained his voice, and u could tell cause he was speaking on the alpha rice commercial.

My mums aunt also tried it and she says shes really active now compared to before. Its amazing but they don't sell the product here, only Europe.
 
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ill believe it when the little african kids who are born with it are saved..
Er... Do you realise that there are drugs which, if taken early enough, stop transmission of HIV from mother to child?
 

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a small sample size would be useful during the first few tests, but statistically you would require a much larger sample size in order to truly simulate the possible effects. so maybe the guy tries it on 1000 people next, and keeps increasing the pool?

that said, how many aids patients can there be in that country? social sexuality doesn't seem to be a big thing in arabic society, so would the virus really spread around that much?
 

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that said, how many aids patients can there be in that country? social sexuality doesn't seem to be a big thing in arabic society, so would the virus really spread around that much?
Do you really believe his target is Yemen when there's an entire continent full of potential converts below him? Countries with 20 to 30% prevalance rates for AIDS and rising? The OP's quotes indicate he's not above using AIDS to empower his religion.
 

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no no slidey, you mistake my point. of course a cure would be global, i just mean from a testing and therefore verification point of view.

for a human test you need human testers, and i havent heard of an aids epidemic in yemen. all im wondering is where hed get those from. hed either have to ship aids victims into yemen, which is unlikely, go to africa himself which i find slightly unlikely, or infect people in yemen, which is pretty much on par with the other two. i was just thinking about why the sample might be small.
 
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Nuts, there goes my non-realistic dream of finding it first.. :(
 

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Lol, the thread starter's original intent failed miserably.
 

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Yemen has the same population as Australia and the same prevalence rate, so about 20,000 people in the country have AIDS, or 0.1%.

Far better than Russia at 1% of the population (about 1 to 1.5 million).
 

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